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re: NIL/Profit Sharing may work-the Portal is the problem
Posted on 6/8/25 at 10:02 am to LSBoosie
Posted on 6/8/25 at 10:02 am to LSBoosie
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I’m just saying people have been saying “these schools are going to feel it when fans start boycotting and stop buying tickets” for years and it has yet to happen.
It's happening little by little. May not be as noticeable as they get new fans on campus every year.
There are a lot of people on this site that have said they've walked away that if you asked them 10 yrs ago they would have laughed at the absurdity. I'm one of those. I have ex's that would be surprised on my level of disinterest now. And I'm someone who had a sister call him when she was comparing my schools schedule to the wedding dates she was thinking about.
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Posted on 6/8/25 at 10:17 am to HagaDaga
I’m not denying that some people aren’t as interested as they once were. But this idea that it’s going to cripple these athletic departments financially just isn’t there. As proven by the fact that as you said, people are less invested yet overall revenue and probably ticket revenue in general continues to increase.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 10:39 am to CDawson
I don’t see them being able to enforce those rules. The NCAA already is toothless imagine them trying to prove some team went over their salary cap. College athletics is a mess and I don’t see how it’s going to be fixed.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 10:42 am to LSBoosie
It's not going to break the big ones, cause they'll adjust with the new rules to become (minor) leagues like the pros. Schools outside of that will have to close their ADs down or maybe a new NCAA will be created that finds the legal ways of solidifying the traditional rules and keep it as true student athletes.
They'll lose a lot of people that love the team because of the school, like me. It could take time but eventually it won't be passed down to the next gens like it has been. Like if I ever have kids I won't be spending Saturdays watching games with them to transfer that love of the school/game to them. But find something elseto enjoy. Which will be for the better I'm sure.
They'll lose a lot of people that love the team because of the school, like me. It could take time but eventually it won't be passed down to the next gens like it has been. Like if I ever have kids I won't be spending Saturdays watching games with them to transfer that love of the school/game to them. But find something elseto enjoy. Which will be for the better I'm sure.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 10:44 am to mdomingue
I honestly think if the NCAA would have been a little more proactive with this instead of fighting it in court every step of the way for the past 20+ years….they wouldn’t be in this spot.
If they decided 20 years ago to let players get a couple grand a month and 1 free transfer….most players would have been totally fine with that. Add in a free transfer if your coach leaves or you are a grad transfer and that would have been more than enough. Instead they wanted to control every last penny and doubled down on everything.
Once the court cases all started, the writing was on the wall. NCAA no longer has a leg to stand on and basically on the verge of losing any leverage over major college football teams.
If they decided 20 years ago to let players get a couple grand a month and 1 free transfer….most players would have been totally fine with that. Add in a free transfer if your coach leaves or you are a grad transfer and that would have been more than enough. Instead they wanted to control every last penny and doubled down on everything.
Once the court cases all started, the writing was on the wall. NCAA no longer has a leg to stand on and basically on the verge of losing any leverage over major college football teams.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 10:49 am to CDawson
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Yep, amateurism died with another court ruling.
The death of amateurism started when UGA and Oklahoma sued to take control of football media contracts from the NCAA. The NCAA foresaw that the money and exposure associated with individual TV rights deals would create a world of “haves” and “have nots.” And they were right. We could live in a world where media revenue is shared equally across Division 1, which would resolve a lot of the twisted incentives that led us here. But nobody at the top actually wants that.
The death of amateurism continued when California passed the first state law to allow NIL, forcing state-funded universities to choose between violating state law or NCAA rules. It continued further when, instead of calling California’s bluff, something like 26 other states passed their own NIL laws. Most notably Florida, who made their law effective a full 2 years earlier than California (2021 vs. 2023). This prompted other states to follow suit and was ultimately the thing that made the NCAA fold on NIL in 2021. The states could have said “we actually care about amateurism, so frick California.” But they didn’t. Because nobody at the top actually wants that.
Don’t get me wrong, the courts have had a heavy hand along the way as well. But the schools (and especially schools in the power conferences) have been willing participants. The monetization of college athletics was always going to lead here eventually unless someone stood up and said “no more.” At the same time, that monetization is a huge part of why college football is so popular today.
Everyone wants to rein things in but nobody really wants a landscape where LSU is on equal footing with, say, ULM.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 10:52 am to mdomingue
The issue is NIL isn’t independent from the athlete and the school. If I own a company and look at the lsu roster and create a NIL deal to appear in a commercial for 10 grand that’s one thing, but to offer money only if he goes to my school is what’s suppose to be against the rules.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 10:54 am to catch26
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I honestly think if the NCAA would have been a little more proactive with this instead of fighting it in court every step of the way for the past 20+ years….they wouldn’t be in this spot.
Yep. They chose the head in the sand, let the lawyers handle it approach. Then a few years of inaction. It's like they made every wrong decision they could.
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If they decided 20 years ago to let players get a couple grand a month and 1 free transfer….most players would have been totally fine with that. Add in a free transfer if your coach leaves or you are a grad transfer and that would have been more than enough. Instead they wanted to control every last penny and doubled down on everything.
Once the court cases all started, the writing was on the wall. NCAA no longer has a leg to stand on and basically on the verge of losing any leverage over major college football teams
Well stated
Posted on 6/8/25 at 11:04 am to GeauxtigersMs36
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If I own a company and look at the lsu roster and create a NIL deal to appear in a commercial for 10 grand that’s one thing, but to offer money only if he goes to my school is what’s suppose to be against the rules
It is, but that isn't being enforced.
From a commercial aspect, if I own a company that operates in an area where there is value to having a player on the local college team, his NIL value to me is directly related to him playing for that team. As such, it would be financially prudent for me to have some out clause that allows me to rescind the deal if the player moves on.
Chicken or egg, am I paying him to play on the team, or because he plays on the team? This is part of the conundrum.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 11:13 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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You don’t understand what led to the current situation at a fundamental level.
I fully understand. Lawyers see money and run to it.
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The portal and the money are tied together,
Exactly, which is why something has to be implemented to tie the money to a contract to limit the swinging door.
I understand it fully and see the massive flaw that is destroying one of the great institutions on our country, amateurism.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 11:14 am to LSBoosie
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I agree. I’m just saying people have been saying “these schools are going to feel it when fans start boycotting and stop buying tickets” for years and it has yet to happen.
And agree, its not the common fan the machine cares about. Unfortunately, it is media/ad money that runs the show.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 11:25 am to CDawson
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Exactly, which is why something has to be implemented to tie the money to a contract to limit the swinging door.
This is what you don’t understand. The only authority that could implement anything has spoken. Per the Supreme Court, the NCAA has no authority to prevent a player from making whatever the market is willing to pay them. Limiting their ability to transfer is illegal and an inherent part of that. Again, the only way anything changes is if the players impose restrictions themselves by way of collective bargaining.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 11:30 am to TheDrunkenTigah
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Per the Supreme Court, the NCAA has no authority to prevent a player from making whatever the market is willing to pay them.
The Supreme Court has not ruled on NIL.
I think it’s reasonable to infer that they would rule this way, but it’s not accurate to state that they’ve already ruled on this issue.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 12:04 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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This is what you don’t understand.
So the Supreme Court ruled an entity can only pay and cannot have a binding contract in exchange for that pay?
Posted on 6/8/25 at 12:09 pm to CDawson
If schools will now have to treat paid athletes as employees that will open up a host of problems. So so called students will also be paid mercenaries. It won’t work.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 12:15 pm to CDawson
The schools are free to type up any contract they want, and the players are free to sign it, but the biggest question is why on earth would they? The players, at least the good ones, hold all the cards. Their current situation is that they can be paid an infinite amount and leave anytime they want, why would they sign something that restricts even part of that, unless it’s via a CBA? There will always be a Bama or USC that’s willing to pay without a contract if it gets them the player.
The fundamental problem is that the NCAA doubled down and fought this for a decade, rather than trying to get out in front of it, now they’re fricked. They bet the farm that the courts would grant them some special immunity to capitalism and lost. There is nothing that can or will change unless the players themselves organize and self impose it.
The fundamental problem is that the NCAA doubled down and fought this for a decade, rather than trying to get out in front of it, now they’re fricked. They bet the farm that the courts would grant them some special immunity to capitalism and lost. There is nothing that can or will change unless the players themselves organize and self impose it.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 3:41 pm to LSBoosie
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Lmao there is no way they could legally do this
I’m thankfully not a lawyer so I wouldn’t be the best person to iron out the details and legality but I would like to see some sort of financial incentive for kids to graduate from schools associated with their NIL deals
Posted on 6/8/25 at 3:42 pm to CDawson
Agree. The portal is the problem.
Posted on 6/8/25 at 3:45 pm to CDawson
Well , the NFL bans tampering. Don't why it can't be banned in the college ranks
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