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re: Nick Saban prior to being hired at lsu was successful.

Posted on 9/28/17 at 2:56 pm to
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63744 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 2:56 pm to
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Nick Saban prior to being hired at lsu was successful.


Yes, yes he was. So was Les Miles. O, however, was not.
Posted by whitefoot
Franklin, TN
Member since Aug 2006
11195 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 2:56 pm to
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Nick Saban is not Ed Orgeron

Fact
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48280 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 2:56 pm to
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's been 13-4 as a head coach / interim head coac


interim coaching isnt running a program.

Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48280 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 2:57 pm to
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Yes, yes he was. So was Les Miles. O, however, was not.





this guys gets it
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
40140 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 2:58 pm to
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And Dabo Swinney had zero head coaching when he was hired

Neither did O when he was hired at Ole Miss. If Dabo won 3 ACC games in 3 years at Clemson and was fired and went back to being a position coach, wouldn't you find it curious if Florida State turned around and hired him as their head man 9 years later?
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48280 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 2:59 pm to
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Quit on Cleveland 
Got beat by Dinardo 

Nice try though.


and?


still took CLEVELAND TO #1 NFL DEFENSE

still finished # 7



saban almost has twice as many national titles as ed orgeron has career sec wins
Posted by SUB
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Posted on 9/28/17 at 2:59 pm to
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interim coaching isnt running a program.



What do you mean by this? Yes, he didn't build the program, but isn't that a good thing, if the previous coach was fired? It should be inherently much more difficult to be successful as an interim coach than a head coach at the same school.
Posted by RedTigerRulz
BFE
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 9/28/17 at 2:59 pm to
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interim coaching isnt running a program.


Yea it really is.....temporarily.
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38665 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:02 pm to
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He turned the Cleveland Browns into the #1 ranked defense in the NFL.
He took a Michigan State program coming off sanctions to a #7 finish.

he was not a 55 year old career dline coach.




Haven't you heard? None of this is important. His resume is not important, only that he probably improved from whatever happened in the past and that whatever job we are talking about is his dream job. Time passed therefore he improved. That is a fact. It really is that simple dude. He also 100% learned from all of his mistakes. Therefore, the mistakes don't matter, he learned from them. A #1 defense on a resume is not important. Learning from whatever mistakes he made as the #1 defense is important. And trust me, there were mistakes as a #1 defense. Saban learned from them. Mistakes made as the #1 defense are no important than mistakes made as the #32 defense, therefore a coach who has the #1 defense on his resume is precisely equal in regards to experience as the one with the #32 defense.

His records before MSU don't matter in regards to his hire at MSU. And his records before LSU don't matter in regards to his hire at LSU. And so forth.

Or so it goes.

This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 3:05 pm
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48280 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:02 pm to
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What do you mean by this? Yes, he didn't build the program, but isn't that a good thing, if the previous coach was fired? 



so lets break down o's interim tenures.

he was not making long term hires
he was not running the offense
he was not running the defense

if not hiring coaches, not running the defensen not running the offense is considered running a program then ive been running programs my entire life. good lord.

he also was 1-4 agajnst any of the good teams he faced during his interim tenures.

interim tenures don't allow coaches to make long term decisions.
we all know what happened the last time O was allowed to make long term decisions at a program.
Posted by whitefoot
Franklin, TN
Member since Aug 2006
11195 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:03 pm to
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and?

I'm just presenting facts.

What part of my post do you disagree with?
Posted by RichJ
The Land of the CoonAss
Member since Nov 2016
5640 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:05 pm to
And quit on LSU...

Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
63744 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:05 pm to
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It should be inherently much more difficult to be successful as an interim coach than a head coach at the same school.


Well now, this is just silly.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48280 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:06 pm to
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Yea it really is.....temporarily.


no its not. interim coaches arent allowed to make lomg term decisions. you know.... decisions that actually prove you know what youre doing.
Posted by 11thACR
Atlanta, Georgia
Member since Mar 2012
1652 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:06 pm to
There is only one Saban and he is at Bama.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
48280 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:07 pm to
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I'm just presenting facts. 

What part of my post do you disagree with



its your opinion he quit on Cleveland.


and miles beat saban does that mean miles is a better coach?


with your logic i guess so.
Posted by RedTigerRulz
BFE
Member since Oct 2013
15317 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:08 pm to
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no its not. interim coaches arent allowed to make lomg term decisions


Well I'm sure he wasn't ASKED to make long term decision given the nature of his position...dont u think?
Posted by Akit1
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jul 2006
8344 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:12 pm to
Alright - stop right there. Saban's 95 MSU team did not have more talent than that exceptional 95 Tiger team led by Dinardo.

Sorry had to get that off my chest. Whew.
This post was edited on 9/28/17 at 3:15 pm
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:13 pm to
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Neither did O when he was hired at Ole Miss. If Dabo won 3 ACC games in 3 years at Clemson and was fired and went back to being a position coach, wouldn't you find it curious if Florida State turned around and hired him as their head man 9 years later?


Well...what if he said he learned his lesson AND hired a radio guy to help him interview?

What then, smartass?!??
Posted by whitefoot
Franklin, TN
Member since Aug 2006
11195 posts
Posted on 9/28/17 at 3:14 pm to
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its your opinion he quit on Cleveland

That's not my opinion. That's a fact. Please don't tell me you think Belichek fired him.

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and miles beat saban

Also a fact

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does that mean miles is a better coach?
How do get to that conclusion?
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