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Posted on 1/21/20 at 1:34 pm to Mohican
They could keep the onsides kick, but the kicking team could have the option of using an unbalanced ball that weighs more on one side than the other, so it takes all kinds of crazy turns and bounces...
Posted on 1/21/20 at 1:35 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
They've been neutering the kickoff for quite some time - I always felt the endgame was the complete removal of the play, but they needed to replace it with something besides "opposing team gets the ball at the 25".
Posted on 1/21/20 at 1:37 pm to TH03
quote:agreed. dont reward a team from sucking arse for 3.75 quarters of football.
That's kinda dumb. I have to imagine the success rate of one 15 yard play would be much higher than an onside kick.
Sorry I punched your teeth in for 12 rounds. here, lets flip a coin to see who wins
Posted on 1/21/20 at 1:49 pm to TDsngumbo
Not a fan of this, and definitely wouldn't want it for college.
For the NFL and college passing teams- you get a QB on a hot streak, and this becomes pretty easy. Chance of a completion or a penalty becomes fairly high... and what happens if it's a defensive penalty without automatic first down? Do you get another untimed play with less yards to go?
For college teams, it would kill a running team. It's not like, say, Air Force or Navy is likely to make a late comeback fast anyway, but they at least get a chance (maybe they kick onsides with 3-4 minutes left). You can't possibly expect them to run an option play on 4th and 15, but they can't pass worth a flip either.
For the NFL and college passing teams- you get a QB on a hot streak, and this becomes pretty easy. Chance of a completion or a penalty becomes fairly high... and what happens if it's a defensive penalty without automatic first down? Do you get another untimed play with less yards to go?
For college teams, it would kill a running team. It's not like, say, Air Force or Navy is likely to make a late comeback fast anyway, but they at least get a chance (maybe they kick onsides with 3-4 minutes left). You can't possibly expect them to run an option play on 4th and 15, but they can't pass worth a flip either.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 1:52 pm to bigjuice56
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They've been neutering the kickoff for quite some time - I always felt the endgame was the complete removal of the play, but they needed to replace it with something besides "opposing team gets the ball at the 25".
That's one of the reasons I hate college OT rules, they pretty much eliminate special teams. It's like they play a different game than the one they had been playing for 60 minutes.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 1:53 pm to TDsngumbo
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Essentially it’s a 4th and 15 play.
Defensive Pass Interference.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 1:54 pm to KLSU
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4th and 15 isn't enough for me to like the rule. 4th and 20 maybe..
This. Also from the 5 or something. You’re giving the team the ball back when they likely are desperate as hell anyway. The onus should really be on the offense as the location likely doesn’t really matter.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 1:59 pm to TDsngumbo
In other words no one watches the pro bowl so the NFL is trying anything to get you to tune in.
The pro bowl is not entertaining. It seems the players or picked then 60% drop out. They are replaced by guys who otherwise would not have made it but they still claim themselves as pro bowl players. Which is completely inaccurate.
The pro bowl is not entertaining. It seems the players or picked then 60% drop out. They are replaced by guys who otherwise would not have made it but they still claim themselves as pro bowl players. Which is completely inaccurate.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 2:00 pm to pellietigersaint
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agreed. dont reward a team from sucking arse for 3.75 quarters of football.
Sorry I punched your teeth in for 12 rounds. here, lets flip a coin to see who wins
I agree, this would suck and I really don’t know if Vegas bookmakers would love it or hate it since it would fundamentally change how they would have to figure a line.
Also, testing at the Pro Bowl is stupid as hell ... no one gives a damn enough to make it a good sample result.
If they INSIST on a change, make them pick the ball off the kicking tee and rush the ball 20 yards, laterals would be permitted but no forward passes since the refs can’t get PI correct. In reality, just about every “Hail Mary” play has PI that goes uncalled because it’s a desperation play. Any kind of pressure on a pass play would result in throwing the ball up for grabs and the refs will frick it up.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 2:03 pm to philly444
quote:Exactly, the NFL will spend countless hours teaching WRs how to get the PI called.
So they’ll just be able to underthrow a deep ball and get PI called
Posted on 1/21/20 at 2:10 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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That's one of the reasons I hate college OT rules, they pretty much eliminate special teams. It's like they play a different game than the one they had been playing for 60 minutes.
Agreed - that's the one XFL rule I don't care for, the "shootout" for OT. Don't condense the game down to a fraction of itself in an attempt to declare a winner. I always thought that Arena Football had the best OT setup - same as the NFL, but each team was guaranteed one possession (didn't matter if you scored a TD on first possession). Tied after that, sudden death.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 2:17 pm to Sailin Tiger
quote:This is even more stupid than where they would place it now.
If this ends up gaining traction I think it should be from the 15. Basically make the play or concede at minimum a field goal
If this is an alternative to an onside kick then if the 4th and 15 attempt is failed then the ball should end up somewhere in the vicinity of where a failed onside kick would end up. That is normally around midfield so the 4th and 15 attempt should be from somewhere around your own 40 yard line.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 2:21 pm to Mohican
quote:Safety.
What is with this incessant need the NFL has to fix what is not broken?
Posted on 1/21/20 at 2:23 pm to bigjuice56
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or punt.
No! there is no option to punt. You have to attempt a play from the 25, to achieve a 1stdown at the 40.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 2:29 pm to Bacon84
In the Pro Bowl, in this test scenario - you are correct. The idea that has been floated around for years is that after you score, you get the ball back - but it's 4th and 15. In that setup, you had the option to punt or go for it.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 2:53 pm to pellietigersaint
quote:Is it flipping a coin?
Sorry I punched your teeth in for 12 rounds. here, lets flip a coin to see who wins
In college, are the odds of converting a 4th and 15 better than the odds of getting an onside kick
Posted on 1/21/20 at 3:36 pm to Macavity92
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I like the concept. A fourth and 15 play would be much more exciting than an onsides kick.
With our adventures covering onside kicks, this is not a true statement.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 4:05 pm to TDsngumbo
That is the most retarded crap I have ever heard.
And why do they feel the need to change the rules every single year. At what point does it stop being football?
And why do they feel the need to change the rules every single year. At what point does it stop being football?
Posted on 1/21/20 at 8:47 pm to shel311
Wrong shel
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