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re: Next years starting pitching?

Posted on 7/21/22 at 8:36 am to
Posted by BayTiger13
Louisiana
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 8:36 am to
Little has shown very little consistency. People like the new and like the potential he has. I think they have guys on the roster and freshman coming in that are more polished pitchers than he is right now.

Will not be short of options next season as we were this season. That is for sure.
This post was edited on 7/21/22 at 8:37 am
Posted by TankBoys32
Member since Mar 2019
3998 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 8:45 am to
Yeah he’s at Air Force right now. Pitches and plays other positions IIRC
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
78284 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 8:53 am to
quote:

I think they have guys on the roster and freshman coming in that are more polished pitchers than he is right now.


Who on the roster?

But also, little just turned 19. He’s going to be the same age as most of our freshmen and he has 2 years of SEC baseball under his belt.
Posted by LSUFAN227
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2012
513 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 8:54 am to
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No it's not. It's about thinking you know more than you do. You've seen Floyd fail. Little has worse K/9, BB/9, and HR/9 over the same amount of time in college and with a similar number of innings pitched. But since you didn't personally see it, it didn't happen.


Sheeeesh.

Mic Drop.
Posted by Superbonics
Member since Oct 2015
447 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 8:56 am to
Grant Taylor is going to be a dude on the mound this coming season for LSU. He showed flashes last season, he has looked great this summer and he will continue to get better under Wes Johnson. Just my opinion.
Posted by beauchristopher
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 9:07 am to
Just coming to say Hurd and Taylor are my likely weekend starters and the other spot is up for grabs. Just my opinion. I really hope we get Skenes.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 9:20 am to
Taylor’s walks are down, but they are still high in the Cape. I think he’s an end of the bullpen guy, but who knows how Johnson sees it. Remember, they moved Reyzelman to the bullpen after dominating the summer as a starter
This post was edited on 7/21/22 at 9:26 am
Posted by BayTiger13
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2022
2611 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 9:25 am to
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Who on the roster?


Floyd and Taylor. Little is just too inconsistent to be penciled in as a starter right now. He has shown that at Vandy for 2 years and he is doing the same in the Cape. The potential is through the roof though so I think working with Wes may do wonders for him and he can be a weekend starter for sure. I just have my doubts as of now. Hope he proves me wrong.
Posted by BayTiger13
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2022
2611 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 9:29 am to
Yea, I don't think we can go by that though. How much of that was JK decision or how much input Jay had for that. I think Jay will trust Wes a lot more and we are not sure what roles he will look to use pitchers. Grant Taylor is starting in the Cape for a reason though. I'm sure that reason is so Jay and Wes can see him stretch out a bit and how he handles it.
Posted by DCTXLA
Member since Jul 2022
3459 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 9:36 am to
To start, Grant Taylor and Floyd for sure. The third weekend spot is going to have one hell of a competition.
Posted by N2daWild
Member since Jul 2019
10288 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 9:36 am to
I'm with Lester on this. Last year Jay Johnson mentioned Taylor and G Fontenot as future closers.

Hurd is the top option, if they think he can go 6 innings.

I think it is time for Floyd to shine.

Sunday is way up in the air. You could add Moffet, Akenhausen, Lansville, Money, Dutton, Noot and Bucknam to the conversation.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
87204 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 9:40 am to
Wes has bounced around a lot the last 7 or 8 years. I’m curious what impact he really has in year one. He obviously has experience with it but I can’t get a great read on how he manages a staff. I think it can be a really good hire. I just don’t know yet.
Posted by BayTiger13
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2022
2611 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 9:41 am to
I don't think Taylor would be starting in the cape and going 5-6 innings if being a closer will be the future plan. He may end up being the closer, but it will probably be because of other guys stepping up in the starting roles. Like I said also, we will have to see Wes philosophy on how he likes to use certain guys and the roles he sees them in also.

Hurd is still a toss up also with the injury. It is freak injury to the core which is all pitching related. Healthy he is the Friday guy but I am still worried about health.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
288486 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 9:50 am to
quote:

don't think Taylor would be starting in the cape and going 5-6 innings if being a closer will be the future plan.


This isn’t all that uncommon, I think you’re reading into it a little much. A lot of times they will let the lesser-used guys start because they didn’t throw a ton of college innings.

He’s doing well but he does have a late inning profile.
Posted by Naptime
Member since Sep 2020
2229 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 9:51 am to
People assume Little will automatically start because he’s a transfer. Don’t you know all transfers are all Americans. Little’s fastball plays slower than it is. And to answer one of your questions, I’m told that JJ had his hands all over the pitching decisions
Posted by Adam4848
LA
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 7/21/22 at 9:54 am to
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And to answer one of your questions, I’m told that JJ had his hands all over the pitching decisions



Last year correct?
Posted by Hot Carl
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62071 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 9:55 am to
I’ve seen a few people mention Wes in this thread, and I think most people—me included—had maybe heard his name before the hire, but only really knew he was considered a well respected pitching coach nationally. Since he was a MLB pitching coach made us think he must have been a great college one, and the fact that he left the 1st place Twins mid-season to take a college job, just felt like a huge coup for LSU. And even though Kelly got a P5 HC job after just 1 year as LSU’s pitching coach, it felt like Wes was/is going to be a huge upgrade. (And he will).

But most of us, besides probably Project and a few others, didn’t really know why, what specifically makes him so good. After a few days of hype, we had turned him into a savior, a rock-star of a pitching coach that we convinced ourselves was going to add 2-3 mphs to all our guys’ fastballs, help them develop their 2nd and 3rd (maybe even 4th)pitches, and becomes masters of their command. But how?

Obviously I’m being a bit hyperbolic, but I don’t remember this much excitement over a baseball assistant hire, probably ever. Again, I knew his name and that he was very well thought of somehow by osmosis, but didn’t know anything specific about him. Until I heard the interview of the Twins’ beat writer or radio or tv guy—someone who is with the team every day—on Moscona’s show. He said that Wes is HUGE into data, has the brain to process all of it, but a unique ability to weed out what’s irrelevant for each pitcher, spot what is, tailor a specific plan to them, and communicate that plan, explaining why it will work, and have them totally buy in. Not that he neglected their weaknesses, but maybe focused more on their strengths and how they could make them better, and also was able to interpret the data and see potential strengths that may have been weaknesses or not part of their games at all, and turning them into strengths.

The interview was really interesting and made Wes seem super impressive. The guy said being a small market team, the Twins were really embracing the use of data in a different way—Moneyball is 20 years old, every team is hip to those analytics—to take guys who had tools (he specifically mentioned Chris Archer) whose careers had maybe fallen off a bit, get them for cheap, and have a guy who could hopefully help resurrect them. Apparently Wes was perfect for that. But he’s not just an impersonal data nerd, he’s also a great communicator and teacher, and everybody loves him. Even position players were upset when they found out he was leaving.

Anyway, I know this was probably tl;dr, but I’d been wanting to post about that interview for a while now because it kind of blew me away the way that guy talked about him. Obviously he won’t have access to the same data and film on our guys as he did veteran big leaguers, nor the time to work with each ones individually. But I don’t think it’s a stretch to think we could have a handful of guys REALLY make big jumps next year. Only thing is this guy thinks he wants to be a college HC soon, so he could be another 1 and done-r. Which could be looked at optimistically, because even though we know Jay’s trying to build a 10-15 year monster, it appears he’s pushing all his chips in to not just get to Omaha next year, but come home with the trophy. Not that he won’t every year, but I think he really doesn’t want to waste Dylan Crews.
Posted by Naptime
Member since Sep 2020
2229 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 9:55 am to
Yes
Posted by dfunklsu
Somewhere down in Texas
Member since Sep 2004
671 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 9:55 am to
We are a championship team with Skenes. How do I donate?
Posted by Hot Carl
Prayers up for 3
Member since Dec 2005
62071 posts
Posted on 7/21/22 at 10:10 am to
quote:

Wes has bounced around a lot the last 7 or 8 years. I’m curious what impact he really has in year one.


Somewhere in my novella of a post sucking him off was this concern. I just don’t know if he’ll have enough time year 1 to really have the impact on the entire staff that he would if he’d have them a couple of full years. Hopefully everybody develops at least a little, but it may be him identifying a handful of guys and really focusing on them making huge strides to carry the team. And like I said, I’m not sure he’ll be here longer than 1 year too.
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