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Posted on 5/16/18 at 5:15 am to The Baker
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I think the “Bad QB play” at LSU talking point is starting to reach myth status
No, it hasn't. It's absolutely true. Other than Mett's 2013 season our quarterback play has been abysmal. Just look at where we ranked in passing offense.
Lee had a decent season in 2011 until the Bama game but Jefferson was just moderately serviceable at times. Harris and Jennings were terrible. Etling was reasonably efficient but certainly nothing above average.
I am not sure Harris or Jennings could hold Marcus Randall's jock strap and I would stack Randall's performance in a come from behind win at Florida in 2004 against any Jefferson's best performances in a tight game.
No quarterback play has sucked and the passing game has been mostly woeful.
Miles failed to recruit any game changer at quarterback during his tenure here.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 5:31 am to Tshiz
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Jennings was better than Harris to me. Harris was just a tard with a strong arm and couldn’t throw it in the ocean from the beach.
nah, I'm taking Harris. both needed more development, and probably a different scheme. but to the bolded, Jennings was a good bit more inaccurate than Harris IMO. and that's really saying something.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 5:49 am to The Baker
Well, I think that Harris was the worst QB of the bunch. The guy had three years and still didn't know the playbook. He was pathetic.
I recall Harris underthrowing a wide open LSU receiver so poorly vs. Arkansas that he actually hit the DB in the back of his helmet as he was struggling to catch up to the WR. The DB was beaten by several yards and a decent pass would have probably been a TD. It was funny but sad at the same time. Harris had no business playing at LSU. He was Southern or Grambling material.
I recall Harris underthrowing a wide open LSU receiver so poorly vs. Arkansas that he actually hit the DB in the back of his helmet as he was struggling to catch up to the WR. The DB was beaten by several yards and a decent pass would have probably been a TD. It was funny but sad at the same time. Harris had no business playing at LSU. He was Southern or Grambling material.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 5:56 am to The Baker
I'd put Flynn at the top. He checks all the boxes.
Mett could make all the throws
Jamarcus was a baller
Lee had the tools but he got his confidence shattered his Freshman year
Mett could make all the throws
Jamarcus was a baller
Lee had the tools but he got his confidence shattered his Freshman year
Posted on 5/16/18 at 6:54 am to Errerrerrwere
Yes JJ was bad. Look at his 2010 stat line
Posted on 5/16/18 at 7:03 am to The Baker
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Florida has had horrible QB play since Tebow yet no one talks about that. Tennessee?
I think the biggest difference is that these teams weren't one good QB from being a National Title contender over the last few years. LSU was.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 7:21 am to Tiger Voodoo
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Throwing 27 TDs and only 7 picks in less than two years as a starter
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I feel bad putting Etling in the average category
see this kind of disagrees with OP
a starting QB throwing 11 and 14 TDs in modern CFB is really bad, but we're like "oh man i feel bad calling him average"
our QBs have been so bad for so long we want to overrate a 14 TD season
Posted on 5/16/18 at 7:23 am to airfernando
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Russell was not great. He wasn't even very good.
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He was a bad decision maker and was constantly getting stuck between should he run or not run. He looked great against a crappy, overrated ND team, and for that everyone remembers him being "great".
no. he's "great" because he was the best QB in CFB in 2006. not because of ND. not because he went #1. because of his total stats
JR was fricking amazing. he made Craig Davis into a perceived 1st round WR when he wasn't that good
Posted on 5/16/18 at 7:24 am to chadr07
Evidently he did forget Mauck.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 8:31 am to The Baker
I think the receivers made Mett look much better than he was. But about everything since that year has been bad in the qb dept. I realize you can throw stats up but stats don't tell the real story. How many completely godawful passes did we see from this bunch on 3rd down? How many touchdowns did we throw from the redzone? If you can't score when you need to and can't extend drives, then you kill your teams chances of winning.
It's not necessarily the numbers they put up, but how bad they looked when they weren't making the numbers (when it counted).
It's not necessarily the numbers they put up, but how bad they looked when they weren't making the numbers (when it counted).
Posted on 5/16/18 at 8:42 am to Tiger Voodoo
JJ wasn't worth a shite!!! But he was Les's boy. He loved him some JJ! 
Flynn was the best QB LSU has had in 10 years!
Flynn was the best QB LSU has had in 10 years!This post was edited on 5/16/18 at 8:44 am
Posted on 5/16/18 at 8:51 am to The Baker
I think the real issue isn't that we haven't had any good/great QBs, it's how many bad QBs we've had. When we have at minimum an average QB, LSU is a good team.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 9:04 am to The Baker
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You forgot flynn
And...
That’s about on par with every other decent college football program
Yes and no. Also, the most important part is years of good QB play. Rohan 2001, Mauck 2003, Russell 2006, Flynn 07, Mett 2013.
Oklahoma had guys like Sam Bradford and Baker Mayfield that had the same good seasons from those two alone (5), that we had from 5 different QBs. I'm talking about any one of those 5 seasons dwarf every one of ours.
Bama had Mccarron 2 years, Sims a year, Hurts a year, and Hurts and Tua last year.
Florida had Grossman a year, Leak 2 years, the combo of Leak/Tebow a year, and Tebow 3 years, from 01-09.
UGA had Greene for 2 years (you could say 3, but I feel like you have to score at least 20 times), Shockley for a year, Stafford for a year, Murray for 4 years, and Fromm for a year. Hell, even UGA's "bad" years (outside of 2006 Stafford) would be the next best for us after Flynn's 07 season.
Tennessee had Clausen for 2 years, Ainge for 2 years, Crompton for a year, Bray for a year, and Dobbs for 2 years.
Arkansas had Jones for a year, Mallett for 2 years, Wilson for 2 years, and Allen for 2 years
Ole Miss had Eli Manning for 2 years, Bo Wallace for 2 years (I would say three as he had over 3300 yards and 30 TDs in one year, but he threw 17 ints), Chad Kelly for a year, Kelly and Patterson for a year, and Patterson and Ta'amu just last year.
Miss St had Tyler Russell a year, Dak for 2 years, and Fitz for a year (that's literally 4 of the last 6 years).
Auburn had Jason Campbell for a year, Chris Todd for a year, Cam Newton for a year, Nick Marshall for 2 years, and Stidham last year. Auburn is most similar to LSU.
South Carolina had Stephen Garcia 2 years, Connor Shaw 2 years, Dylan Thompson a year, and you could possibly say Bentley for last year.
TAMU and Mizzu had big ones before and after the conference switch.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 9:08 am to Placebeaux
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I'd put Flynn at the top. He checks all the boxes.
Except for accuracy and decision making. He was average at best there
Posted on 5/16/18 at 9:22 am to Tshiz
quote:You ripped off my "Couldn't throw it in the Lake from the Causeway" thing there in reference to both McMillan and the King-Lord............
Harris was just a tard with a strong arm and couldn’t throw it in the ocean from the beach.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 10:18 am to The Baker
Totally agree with you. People like to exagerrate these days just to make a point.
But the real point is that in some years where we could have won national championships, QB play held us back.
But in no way has our QB situation been horrible. Its just been a let-down at crucial times.
But the real point is that in some years where we could have won national championships, QB play held us back.
But in no way has our QB situation been horrible. Its just been a let-down at crucial times.
Posted on 5/16/18 at 10:27 am to Datbayoubengal
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Except for accuracy and decision making
What else do you need to be a good college quarterback?
Posted on 5/16/18 at 11:02 am to The Baker
Mettenberger was great?
Posted on 5/16/18 at 11:25 am to The Baker
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Florida has had horrible QB play since Tebow yet no one talks about that. Tennessee? Alabama hasn’t had a qb that is better than Mett in 20 years... maybe a Flynn level guy like McCarron.
Yet they keep winning Championships. And their qb's that haven't "been better than Mett" have torched LSU for big plays in the biggest games. Sometimes its one play like 2017's touchdown, or years where McCarron drove the field in the last 2 minutes of the game in TS, to put Bama over the top. So they may not have been "better than Mett" but what does that matter when they keep beating everyone, and winning titles?
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