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re: Needing an elite running back is greatly overrated
Posted on 1/14/18 at 6:02 pm to LongTime Tiger
Posted on 1/14/18 at 6:02 pm to LongTime Tiger
Don't know why the OP is getting so many down votes. He's correct. Great RBs are great to have, but it doesn't transform us into a great team if we don't have the other pieces.
Prime example is Fournette against Bama.
Prime example is Fournette against Bama.
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Posted on 1/14/18 at 6:10 pm to LongTime Tiger
I don’t know about elite but Clyde Edwards-Hellaire is goin to be a very good back. That kids got man strength.
Posted on 1/14/18 at 6:34 pm to Solo Cam
I agree with you to a point about the saints but without brees and the great passing game, the rb's wouldn't be as successful as they are.
Posted on 1/14/18 at 9:32 pm to tubucoco
quote:OBJ and Landry weren't that great in 2012 and I guess you think they shouldn't have been at LSU?
Then they shouldn't be at LSU, a-hole. But if you're expecting any of those talented WR's to not pan out, you're the dumb one, so stop calling others dumb.
There are off years in passing games with young QBs/WRs, but who needs elite RBs?
Effective running never helps passing games?
Pretty dumb.
Posted on 1/14/18 at 10:13 pm to Tiger1988
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stop acting like you know him you dumbass. You don’t know him but, my younger cousin who grew up off of Hooper Road are friends with him as they played at Central and graduated together. He will be the first to tell you SE only did this because he was forced into it. He was very happy with his role and salary. That excuse about time at the end of last season was that - an excuse. Ther was actually more time then than now to implement an offense. You can’t be that stupid. You have to be a Derek crony or Derek himself - which would explain a lot. If you are Derek - frick YOU.
What do you mean acting like I know him? I never acted like I know him. When? Where?
Nonetheless, you stupid moron, I do personally know him. I used to call on him as a young salesman many, many years ago, and he was one of the most humble and polite people I have ever known and dealt with in my entire career. No shite, super nice guy. That’s why I remember him so well, that and I was a huge fan of his when he was at LSU. I watched him play back in the day many times. Of course, back then in those days when I used to call on him, his hair was still black and he had a flat top haircut too.
Furthermore, if you go back about a year ago and search my posts, you will find a post somewhere in there where I said last year that I know him and considered him to be one of the most polite and nicest people I have ever known.
In addition, your stupid cousin BS is obviously bull crap. You sure it wasn’t a friend of a friend of your cousin’s cousin? Give me a freaking break, you stupid retard!
Ensminger said in that introductory press conference the other day, that when he said he didn’t want the OC job last year that he was talking about Miles’s old playbook, and then he said this new job is what he has always been preparing for his whole career.
What’s the deal, moron? You don’t believe him or something. Are you claiming that he is a damn liar? Give me a break!
Man, there are some stupid people that posts on this board.
Ensminger would have gladly accepted the job last year had O ever offered the job to him last year and O would have offered it to him last year had not O thought he could hire his old buddy Lane Kiffin, who O feels an obligation to for hiring him in the past.
Anyway, Canada came over here and shot his wad by blowing his chances to stay at LSU by morphing into a cancer on the coaching staff and got fired. Thus, O the second time around immediately offered Ensminger the job this time around.
Not to mention, that Aranda, who is very close friends with both O and Ensminger, says that Ensminger is a better play caller than Canada, and if anyone would know it would be Aranda who used to scheme against the both of them every day in practice.
Not to mention that there has been a strong rumor floating around ever since O mentioned Ensminger’s name in that press conference right after the A&M game, that Ensminger called the plays in the Texas A&M game, which was by far LSU’s best offensive outing of the season, which is rumored is the reason why O eagerly mentioned Ensminger’s name at that press conference.
Here is some more information. What initially started the riff between Canada and O last year was Canada wanted Myles to start and play. However, O and Ensminger wanted Etling to start and play instead.
Anyway, O humored Canada and took Etling out the Troy game and inserted Myles in the game and then allowed Myles to have his longest outing of the season. Then when Myles didn’t do anything in the game, O put Etling back in late in the game and Etling came very close to pulling out a victory for LSU.
Ensminger, of course, prefers Etling because he was the one who developed Etling the previous year, and of course, O prefers Etling too because he didn’t want to gamble away his career on a true freshman. Not to mention, that O trusts and respects Ensminger immensely. While Canada, on the other hand, morphed into a cancer on the coaching staff.
Subsequently, for the remainder of the season, just about every time Canada called for Myles to go into the game, O nixed it.
This post was edited on 1/14/18 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 1/14/18 at 10:27 pm to tubucoco
Have a stud rb already on roster but ed O refuses to use him during his freshman year. Hope Mr E will utilize CEH to his skill set. He has quickness, decent hands, powerful legs to keep driving. What will the tigers do on offense with all the talent they Have? If saban can do it at bama so can Lsu with the players they have. Lsu has a really tuff schedule in 2018, what will they do? Orgeron wanted the job, that's his job is to figure out who to hire and make it work. Orgeron can make it work, he better make it work or he will be out the door in bout 12 months. Time is ticking. I doubt the tide win any sort of football championship in 2018. Time for the tigers to get a head start. Bama will have a new defense coordinator and a new offense coordinator. So his players got to learn And develop with a new guy. Dont really need an elite rb, the tide and clemson have not had elite rb for quite a few years and look where the results took them. Those coaches know how to coach up the talent they have. Thats pretty much it
Posted on 1/14/18 at 11:44 pm to Mayhawman
quote:No, but I know who is "dumb"?? Sure, it helps a passing game stupid, just like an effective passing game helps the running game, the two go hand-n-hand. But your dumbass took my post and turned it into something else entirely, something that all you tards do on here, and then you have the nerve to call people dumb. LOL
Effective running never helps passing games
Pretty dumb.
What I did say retard was that I'm glad that LSU doesn't have an elite RB to rely on next season because it will force them to concentrate on the passing game more. Meaning build up the passing game, but you're so dumb I'll have to keep going into details. Everyone on here knows except you apparently that LSU has never had much of a passing game, but Ensminger is talking about changing that and developing one this coming season because they do have a lot of talented WR's, and they will def "pan out". Lmao They will still have a strong run game I'm sure because LSU will never abandon the run, that's their bread and butter, but the RB's are good, not elite, and most importantly, they're untested. So, because of that lil problem I look forward to seeing a passing game that should be a lot more productive because of the inexperience at RB.
And I def want to see if he will run the spread or RPO with 3 and 4 wide sets because they have the talent to do it, but I expect the run game to pick up as the season wears on and they gain the experience. Got it tard??
This post was edited on 1/14/18 at 11:56 pm
Posted on 1/15/18 at 12:00 am to CL8100
You're talking about David Ducre, yeah, I hope they use that kid this season to. Fans should demand it, and I hope reporters question meathead Ed O about it. They get so much talent there that they sleep on these damn kids, and they would probably be star players at small schools like a Nicholls or LA Lafayette or somebody. "Jacory Washington" is another one, kid was a talented pass catching TE coming out of HS and has hardly been on the field for LSU, ridiculous. Play these players, man!
As for Alabama they are in it every season, they don't go away, they just reload. Honestly, LSU has the talent to compete every season for a national title themselves, but bad coaching and inept offenses do LSU in every season. Look at this past season, they could have possibly won all 4 losses this season. Nobody expected them to get blown out by Miss St, they usually dominate them, and losing to Troy is a real embarrassment for the program. But they played Bama well in Alabama, and they blew that bowl game against Notre Dame. They are always in all the games that they play, but the coaching and offense must improve.
As for Alabama they are in it every season, they don't go away, they just reload. Honestly, LSU has the talent to compete every season for a national title themselves, but bad coaching and inept offenses do LSU in every season. Look at this past season, they could have possibly won all 4 losses this season. Nobody expected them to get blown out by Miss St, they usually dominate them, and losing to Troy is a real embarrassment for the program. But they played Bama well in Alabama, and they blew that bowl game against Notre Dame. They are always in all the games that they play, but the coaching and offense must improve.
This post was edited on 1/15/18 at 12:12 am
Posted on 1/15/18 at 12:22 am to Space Cowboy
Dude, you can call Canada a cancer and all that, but I'm not buying it. Canada never had control over the offensive coordinator job from Day 1, and Ed Orgeron should not have done that. If you hire someone to run the offense, let them run the offense. That's what I would have done if I was coaching, but he lied to the guy and that is what caused the riff. Orgeron isn't qualified imo to say what he thinks will work and what won't work, the man has been on the defensive side of the ball his whole life, playing and coaching. I played ball myself, in college as well, so I think I would know a lil something.
Let Canada run his offense and the personnel he wants QB and all, now if he fails then he fails and you can then say you just didn't think it was a good fit for LSU, but you did not do that.
Let Canada run his offense and the personnel he wants QB and all, now if he fails then he fails and you can then say you just didn't think it was a good fit for LSU, but you did not do that.
This post was edited on 1/15/18 at 12:26 am
Posted on 1/15/18 at 1:27 am to tubucoco
Coach O is the head coach, which means he can do whatever the hell he wants and his subordinate is supposed to yield to him. Of course, Alleva initially sided with Canada when Canada undermined O’s authority by bypassing O and going to Alleva. However, once Alleva was filled in with all the requisite information to make a fair assessment of the situation subsequently, he inevitably sided on O’s side and allowed Canada to be fired by coach.
Meanwhile, I don’t care what you morons think, if Canada wanted coach O’s trust, then he should have to earn it like Aranda and Ensminger earned O’s trust before. However, you don’t earn your superior’s trust by bucking the system and going around him behind his back to his superior. Stuff like that is what gets you fired and it got Canada fired.
The riff started initially because Canada wanted Myles to start and play, as opposed to Etling. Meanwhile, coach O and Ensminger wanted Etling to start and play.
Meanwhile, virtually every time Canada called for Myles to enter the game, O nixed it, and I don’t blame him. If I were in O’s shoes too, I would not want to gamble my job and career on a skinny true freshman quarterback either.
Especially, after O allowed Myles to play for an extended period of time against Troy, but he never could move the ball. Then Danny came in late in the game and almost pulled off a come from behind victory.
No coach isn’t that stupid. New OCs have to prove themselves first by earning the head coach’s trust. I never ever assume someone I just hired is qualified to do the damn job until they prove themselves first and earn my trust. I don’t blindly trust anyone, not even my own mother, to ruin my job, reputation, and career. O would have been stupid to trust Canada right off the bat.
Hell, even Saban was screaming and yelling at Diboll during the National Championship Game. He did the same thing all the time to Lane Kiffin too when he was still calling the plays. It doesn’t work the way you think it does moonbat.
That’s because you are unhinged and incompetent.
Give me a break. You don’t have a clue what O told the guy. You assume you know, but you don’t know jack shite. Not to mention, that as many jobs as Canada has had through the years, which is a ton of jobs, as everybody got rid of him for the same damn reason, then he would have had to be a retard to still be naïve enough to believe what a head football coach would tell him to get him to agree to be hired at that late stage in his career. Head coaches will say and do anything when they are trying to hire you, but only utterly incompetent people like you would actually be stupid enough to give him the keys to the Cadillac. Damn, you sound like you were born yesterday.
Well, that’s because you are a stupid incompetent moron who doesn’t know crap!
Moreover, O always consulted with Ensminger who he trusts immensely. Hence, whatever Ensminger was recommending, was what O did. Not to mention, that Aranda agreed with everything Ensminger was recommending as well.
If Canada would have been smart, he would have gone along with them until he himself could earn O’s trust, but that is not Canada’s Modus Operandi. Canada instead tries to get his way through the back door and thus, ends up being repeatedly fired over and over again.
If he is going to get a head coaching job as he desires, then Canada is going to have to one of these days learn from his stupid mistakes and stay at a program for a long time, but he’ll never do it if he continues to morph into a cancer everywhere he lands.
O is not a dumb arse as you stupidly believe he is. He’s been in the coaching profession for many, many years. Moreover, O was basing his objections on what Ensminger and Aranda were telling him.
BS! You don’t know crap about football period. You’re a stupid incompetent loon! Indeed, it’s obvious that you never played team sports before in your life.
Sure, you can say he wasn’t a good fit while you are looking for a new damn job. Man…some of you people on here are amazing, just freaking amazing.
Meanwhile, I don’t care what you morons think, if Canada wanted coach O’s trust, then he should have to earn it like Aranda and Ensminger earned O’s trust before. However, you don’t earn your superior’s trust by bucking the system and going around him behind his back to his superior. Stuff like that is what gets you fired and it got Canada fired.
The riff started initially because Canada wanted Myles to start and play, as opposed to Etling. Meanwhile, coach O and Ensminger wanted Etling to start and play.
Meanwhile, virtually every time Canada called for Myles to enter the game, O nixed it, and I don’t blame him. If I were in O’s shoes too, I would not want to gamble my job and career on a skinny true freshman quarterback either.
Especially, after O allowed Myles to play for an extended period of time against Troy, but he never could move the ball. Then Danny came in late in the game and almost pulled off a come from behind victory.
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If you hire someone to run the offense, let them run the offense.
No coach isn’t that stupid. New OCs have to prove themselves first by earning the head coach’s trust. I never ever assume someone I just hired is qualified to do the damn job until they prove themselves first and earn my trust. I don’t blindly trust anyone, not even my own mother, to ruin my job, reputation, and career. O would have been stupid to trust Canada right off the bat.
Hell, even Saban was screaming and yelling at Diboll during the National Championship Game. He did the same thing all the time to Lane Kiffin too when he was still calling the plays. It doesn’t work the way you think it does moonbat.
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That's what I would have done if I was coaching
That’s because you are unhinged and incompetent.
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But he lied to the guy and that is what caused the riff.
Give me a break. You don’t have a clue what O told the guy. You assume you know, but you don’t know jack shite. Not to mention, that as many jobs as Canada has had through the years, which is a ton of jobs, as everybody got rid of him for the same damn reason, then he would have had to be a retard to still be naïve enough to believe what a head football coach would tell him to get him to agree to be hired at that late stage in his career. Head coaches will say and do anything when they are trying to hire you, but only utterly incompetent people like you would actually be stupid enough to give him the keys to the Cadillac. Damn, you sound like you were born yesterday.
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Orgeron isn't qualified imo
Well, that’s because you are a stupid incompetent moron who doesn’t know crap!
Moreover, O always consulted with Ensminger who he trusts immensely. Hence, whatever Ensminger was recommending, was what O did. Not to mention, that Aranda agreed with everything Ensminger was recommending as well.
If Canada would have been smart, he would have gone along with them until he himself could earn O’s trust, but that is not Canada’s Modus Operandi. Canada instead tries to get his way through the back door and thus, ends up being repeatedly fired over and over again.
If he is going to get a head coaching job as he desires, then Canada is going to have to one of these days learn from his stupid mistakes and stay at a program for a long time, but he’ll never do it if he continues to morph into a cancer everywhere he lands.
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to say what he thinks will work and what won't work, the man has been on the defensive side of the ball his whole life,
O is not a dumb arse as you stupidly believe he is. He’s been in the coaching profession for many, many years. Moreover, O was basing his objections on what Ensminger and Aranda were telling him.
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playing and coaching. I played ball myself, in college as well, so I think I would know a lil something.
BS! You don’t know crap about football period. You’re a stupid incompetent loon! Indeed, it’s obvious that you never played team sports before in your life.
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Let Canada run his offense and the personnel he wants QB and all, now if he fails then he fails and you can then say you just didn't think it was a good fit for LSU, but you did not do that.
Sure, you can say he wasn’t a good fit while you are looking for a new damn job. Man…some of you people on here are amazing, just freaking amazing.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 1:31 am to Space Cowboy
And you call other people morons.
Just shut up already.
Just shut up already.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 1:38 am to Space Cowboy
my question to you is this, why didn’t O understand what he was getting into with Canad’s offense?
We hired him because we liked the results at Pitt. He was very open about the motions being what made the offense work. And O wanted to take the motions out. That’s sorta like hamstring the offense.
So did O not understand Canad’a offense or what?
We hired him because we liked the results at Pitt. He was very open about the motions being what made the offense work. And O wanted to take the motions out. That’s sorta like hamstring the offense.
So did O not understand Canad’a offense or what?
Posted on 1/15/18 at 1:39 am to Space Cowboy
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Meanwhile, I don’t care what you morons think
It sure appears you do. I have no earthly idea why you're dismissing facts and blindly believing literally everything O does and says.
Are you Orgeron?
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even Saban was screaming and yelling at Diboll during the National Championship Game. He did the same thing all the time to Lane Kiffin too when he was still calling the plays
You're absolutely correct. Because Saban demands perfection from his players and his coaches, those are "arse chewings" to quote Saban and I'm no Saban fan.
When have you seen O do the same? He just stands there. No emotion at all.
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you don’t know jack shite.
And you do? By all means include us lowly nobodies in on all your inside knowledge and show all of us how the facts are incorrect.
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O is not a dumb arse
O is a bad head coach. His record speaks for itself.
You're the misguided one for thinking he's something he's not and never will be.
This post was edited on 1/15/18 at 1:45 am
Posted on 1/15/18 at 5:15 am to SammyTiger
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, why didn’t O understand what he was getting into with Canad’s offense?
Damn dude, it’s CANADA. Hell, you can’t even spell his name correctly. What grade did you drop out of elementary school in?
Anyway, O didn’t fire Canada because of his offense you moonbat. Instead, he fired Canada because he was a cancer on the coaching staff.
Man, if you loons would stop focusing only on demonizing and vilifying O all the time and learned to pay attention, maybe you morons would learn a few things.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 8:28 am to Space Cowboy
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Damn dude, it’s CANADA. Hell, you can’t even spell his name correctly. What grade did you drop out of elementary school in?
Damn dude! It’s grade school level grammar! You don’t even know not to end a sentence with a preposition!!
Now, if you’re finished deflecting answer this question.
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Why didn’t O understand what he was getting into with Canada’s offense?
This post was edited on 1/15/18 at 9:05 am
Posted on 1/15/18 at 8:30 am to LongTime Tiger
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Needing an elite running back is greatly overrated
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after hearing Steve E's ideas I am excited
makes sense. you don't think we need elite talent at key positions so why have elite coaching?
Posted on 1/15/18 at 8:30 am to LongTime Tiger
Define "elite"? Stars for recruits are almost meaningless these days.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 9:03 am to tubucoco
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Actually I'm glad that they do not have a great RB this year to give the ball to a lot, it forces them to go to the pass now, and they have considerable talent at the WR position.
was thinking the same thing.. only way we will throw it is if we are forced..
Posted on 1/15/18 at 9:39 am to tubucoco
quote:Everyone on here knows except you when LSU has had a good QB they've had a good passing game('06, '07, '12, '13) and with average QBs featured the rush more.
Everyone on here knows except you apparently that LSU has never had much of a passing game
Any attempt to force the pass game without proper tools is futile(2008).
There's no predisposition to avoid the pass because of a great RB and in 2013 Mett, OBJ, Juice and Hill all thrived.
2014/2015 featured Fournette/Guice heavily not just because they were great backs, it avoided exposing ineffective Jennings/Harris.
Posted on 1/15/18 at 11:25 am to theSaltwaterGuide
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Alabama showed us that this year. Take care of business and maybe slip up against a good team can still be rewarded in the long run
That's adorable.
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