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re: NCAA Infield Fly Rule Question
Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:14 pm to Eternalmajin
Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:14 pm to Eternalmajin
Infield fly is one of the most misunderstood rules in baseball. The umpire's declaration of an infield fly means that the batter is out (and all force plays are removed) regardless of whether the ball is caught. The rule exists to prevent the defense from achieving a double play or triple play by failing to catch a ball that an infielder could catch with ordinary effort. The rule is limited to apply only in situations where this result is possible. If a fly ball can be caught with a reasonable effort (infield, shallow outfield by an infielder, etc.,) the batter is automatically out. Base runners advance at their own peril. No force out. Tagging up is not required if ball is dropped by the fielder.
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Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:49 pm to lsufanz
A bunt can’t be an infield fly and the ball has to go up a certain height (umpires judgement) and then he’ll signal an infield fly
Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:50 pm to WacoTiger
You are leaving out that a bunt can never be an infield fly, no matter how high or how reasonable the effort. Also, an infield fly can be called on a ball to the fence. The ability to make a double or triple play isn’t factored. It doesn’t have to be caught by an infielder. A ball that any infielder (or outfielder playing on the infield that will be called an infielder under this) could catch under ordinary effort is an infield fly provided there are less than 2 outs with at least 1st and 2nd occupied, even if caught by an outfielder.
Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:57 pm to Fratigerguy
It wasn’t enforced correctly by the umps.
Can’t infield fly rule on bunt but that was what the scorer had to do after both runners advanced.
Not sure if NCAA has this rule but one exists where - LINK
Can’t infield fly rule on bunt but that was what the scorer had to do after both runners advanced.
Not sure if NCAA has this rule but one exists where - LINK
Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:11 pm to scottfruget
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He deliberately let it drop after getting under it—popped up bunt. Then ran and touched third for force out. Late on throw to second runner safe. Third base ump calls batter out and let’s runners advance to third and second.
wtf
Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:23 pm to Double Oh
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If infield fly rule was called batter is out but if fielder drops the ball runners can advance at there own risk thats the rule in high school i think.
That is the rule at all levels. If the fielder drops the pop up the runners are not forced so if the try to “turn a double play’ by the stepping on the bag and throwing to first, advancing runners would be safe unless tagged.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 2:45 am to lsufanz
An infield fly with runners on 1st and 2nd with less than 2 outs can never be called an infield fly ruled out on a :
...Bunt
...infield fly in foul territory
...Bunt
...infield fly in foul territory
This post was edited on 4/8/18 at 2:46 am
Posted on 4/8/18 at 7:01 am to mdomingue
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advancing runners would be safe unless tagged.
I get this, but why were the runners advancing on an easily catchable bunt attempt? Shouldn’t they have been hauling arse back to first and second? If not, why didn’t the third baseman catch it and triple them up?
Posted on 4/8/18 at 10:08 am to Penrod
WilsonPickett had the correct answer at the bottom of the first page:
The runners advanced when they saw the ball drop.
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No IF fly rule on bunt. Batter is out if ball is intentionally dropped by the fielder. Once the batter is out it removes the force play and runners advancing must be tagged. Neither runner was tagged so they both move up.
The runners advanced when they saw the ball drop.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 11:11 am to Eternalmajin
No, the play was over and they awarded each runner the next base. I think jacquespene8 has the only explanation that makes sense and I wasn’t aware of the rule. Apparently intentionally dropping the ball can be viewed by the ump the same as throwing your glove at a line drive. Can award another base.
This post was edited on 4/10/18 at 6:12 pm
Posted on 4/8/18 at 12:15 pm to lsufanz
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the same as throwing your glove at a line drive. Can award another base.
Crazy rule. You should absolutely be able to throw your glove at a line drive. This could revolutionize glove design
Posted on 4/8/18 at 12:34 pm to lsufanz
Were the runners advanced to the next base by the umpire or did they run there on their own and the umpire let them stay there?
This thread is really shitty.
This thread is really shitty.
Posted on 4/8/18 at 12:38 pm to lsufanz
I dont know about college, but there is an intentionally dropped ball rule in MLB that is different than the infield fly rule and applies to line drives and bunts, unlike the infield fly rule.
That must not have been the call here, however, because on an intentionally dropped ball ruling in the pros, the ball is dead and the runners cannot advance.
Here is a comparison of the rules:
LINK
That must not have been the call here, however, because on an intentionally dropped ball ruling in the pros, the ball is dead and the runners cannot advance.
Here is a comparison of the rules:
LINK
Posted on 4/10/18 at 5:24 pm to The Boat
quote:advanced by the umpire.
Were the runners advanced to the next base by the umpire or did they run there on their own and the umpire let them stay there?
quote:Thanks. BTW, the answer to your question was already answered in the shitty thread.
This thread is really shitty.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 5:29 pm to MOT
quote:Except that they were awarded the base by the umpire, not advanced when ball dropped.
The runners advanced when they saw the ball drop.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 5:54 pm to lsufanz
Yea so why were they awarded the extra base? was it just a mistake in the way the rule was applied?
Posted on 4/10/18 at 6:05 pm to The Ostrich
I really don't know. I hardly ever start threads, but started this one in search of an answer. The closest I can come is a post by stevefruget, or something like that, who says there's a rule that gives the ump discretion to award a base for the intentional drop. He related it to throwing one's glove at a line drive. Don't think the rule was linked, however.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 6:08 pm to lsufanz
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who says there's a rule that gives the ump discretion to award a base for the intentional drop. He related it to throwing one's glove at a line drive. Don't think the rule was linked, however.
That rule is just like an Infield Fly which and runners are supposed to stay at their base. I think the ump just fricked up honestly.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 6:13 pm to The Ostrich
Sorry it was jacquespene8 and he stated
Agreed
quote:
However, it is against the rules to intentionally drop something after letting it hit your glove. It’s akin to throwing your glove at a line drive. Base awards are given according to the rule book.
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I think the ump just fricked up honestly.
Agreed
Posted on 4/10/18 at 6:23 pm to lsufanz
A bunt is a very gray area. The ball has to be in the air high enough and long enough for the infielder to be camped under the ball and at that point the umpire is supposed to call "infield fly, batter is out" at that point the runners advance at their own risk if the ball is dropped, but don't have to.
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