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re: My offensive predictions for the rest of the season

Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:38 am to
Posted by BT4LSU
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Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:38 am to
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i for one appreciate your effort, but you are working too hard. This offense is just going to try harder at what we've been doing.



No he's not. He just made a perfect analysis, and exactly why Miles is going to fix this, just like he did in 2006. The people who have coached and played the game know. Half of the people here are, putting it mildly, gumps.


Great job.
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:42 am to
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When JJ rolled left, RR went behind the CB up the sideline. JJ should have just chucked a lob to him. On 4th down, and the game in the balance, it was worth any risk to keep the drive alive.


Damn, that's right... it doesn't show in the clip in this thread, but I remember RR getting behind the DB - prolly was an out pattern that he broke upfield, like you're saying.

That play had Mauck to Green for the winning touchdown written all over it.
Posted by The Tiger King
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Posted on 10/14/09 at 11:49 am to
I remembered that from the broadcast replay. Once I stopped cussin', and they showed a more distant replay, you could see that Randle was JJ's only real option at that point.

If JJ would have lobbed it, and RR caught it, they would be in Tiger lore forever. I'd like to think that it might have carried us to a score on that drive.
Posted by coz
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Posted on 10/14/09 at 12:18 pm to


Couldn't agree more, BT. We'll be fine, and the gumps will soon be back to bitching about our "sloppy wins."
Posted by Tiger Voodoo
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Posted on 10/14/09 at 12:45 pm to
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I think TT ran the wrong route or didn't know WTF he was supposed to be doing. Who in the hell teaches WRs to run slants as combo routes on the same side of the field without some sort of delay action between them? If Lafell was supposed to run a slant versus man then I think TT was supposed to run a go or a dig on the outside and he messed up.




I agree. I think this is happening more than we realize. I also think the INT at the end of the 1st half was an incorrect route by TT. JJ threw the out but TT hooked in. It was pretty much the same play that Flynn got picked on in the NCG throwing to TT.

As for running double slants with no delay, I think that happens a lot too. It really shows how faulty our schemes are. Even when we go spread, we end up with receivers running routes in too close proximity so we end up with a pass thrown in the area of 3 defenders.

We aren't actually spreading the D out at all, we're stacking them right in the area the play is going. The designs are faulty at their core. That is a problem that can be traced back to last year.

The one play that we had success on, was LaFell's drag across the middle when we got the D moving in the opposite direction and sent LaFell the other way. It was wide open, and it was easy. Effortless, unlike our other moderately successful plays that we have to work so hard to execute and we end up holding our breath hoping that there isn't a bobble because a defender could pluck it right out of the air. That play should be our bread and butter, and the fact that it hasn't been obvious on film is very troubling.
Posted by MiketheTiger69
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Posted on 10/14/09 at 1:06 pm to
You guys discussing the WR play are spot on. You can see on the bubble screens and other wide plays where they are not blocking well either. Also they never seem to be able to get separation no matter what the coverage is. I think this is about the most underperforming group of WR's I've seen in a while, especially for as talented as they are. They seem to be lazy to me.
You can't hold RR very responsible as he's a frosh and still learning but there is no excuse for the others.
This is a perfect example of team play-success or failure does not rely on one player.
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 10/14/09 at 2:49 pm to
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Even when we go spread, we end up with receivers running routes in too close proximity so we end up with a pass thrown in the area of 3 defenders.


yes we have seen that so many times

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The one play that we had success on, was LaFell's drag across the middle when we got the D moving in the opposite direction and sent LaFell the other way. It was wide open, and it was easy. Effortless, unlike our other moderately successful plays that we have to work so hard to execute and we end up holding our breath hoping that there isn't a bobble because a defender could pluck it right out of the air. That play should be our bread and butter, and the fact that it hasn't been obvious on film is very troubling.


I have wondered the same thing and that is also where JJ >>> JLEE. Lee could not throw a crossing route or a slant route to save his life last year. That is where a lot of his INTs came from, throwing behind crossing routes and over throwing seam routes
Posted by S
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Posted on 10/14/09 at 2:57 pm to
i was thinking about rashaun woods the other day for some reason. oklahoma state's josh reed. they didnt have great qb's back then (pogi and fields) but he put up some impressive numbers.
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 10/14/09 at 3:05 pm to
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i was thinking about rashaun woods the other day for some reason. oklahoma state's josh reed. they didnt have great qb's back then (pogi and fields) but he put up some impressive numbers.


yeah they were amazing and I won a nice chunk of change on that OKState vs SMU game.

I find it funny that people say Miles is conservative because of where he went to college. He has always been known as a HC that is a gambler, he has always had OC's with wide open offenses and yet he is conservative because he went to Michigan 30 years ago?

Posted by ROUSTER
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Posted on 10/14/09 at 3:39 pm to
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I have wondered the same thing and that is also where JJ >>> JLEE. Lee could not throw a crossing route or a slant route to save his life last year. That is where a lot of his INTs came from, throwing behind crossing routes and over throwing seam routes


I think 1 big difference is that JJ only throws that pass across the middle when the receiver is WIDE open. But, that may not be JJ's fault. It seems the coaches hammered home for the QB's not to force throws after last year.

I don't know what to think about the receivers. But, it sure seems that TT still gets lost quite a bit out there.

Again, looking at BL's attempt to run a slant against that press M2M made me want to throw up. Then again, I'm not sure the WR's aren't much like the QB, RB and OL in that sometimes it seems everybody is lost as to what play is being called. Who's fault is that? may be the million dollar answer.
Posted by PistolaVeloce
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Posted on 10/14/09 at 4:06 pm to
I've said it once or maybe I've said it fifty times.... on that 4th and 1... We should have been under center.. if nothing more to at least make the defense think about the run. And the no huddle is a fricking bust.

Looking at that replay and the crappy design of that play just hammers it down.


It' a terrible job by Crowton.
This post was edited on 10/14/09 at 4:07 pm
Posted by aaronb023
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Posted on 10/14/09 at 5:11 pm to
great thread. we need these more often. too bad you have to sort through a lot of garbage to find it
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 10/26/09 at 11:10 am to
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1) they will tighten up the formation OL splits, use mitch joseph and dickson together more and run a lot more offset I with Chuck Scott which will make the blocking schemes easier to execut


they did use more offset I versus Auburn but it was to get JJ throws off of 3 step drops and 7 stops drops with play action. Chuck Scott was not the focus in the I formation.

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2) if they continue to use the 4WR or 5WR spread sets it will be solely for Shep to carry the ball or JJ/Shep and KW to run zone read. The OL is having a very difficult time with the wide splits in the spread formations and the one on one blocking it requires them to do. Speed rushers are giving our tackles a lot of trouble and in the spread they are out there on their own


They used even more 4WR formations than they have been with Shep getting KW's carries. They also made a nice adjustment with Lafell and TT in the slots in 4WR and 5WR sets and Holliday/Randle/Jackson on the outside. This allowed Lafell and TT to run routes that JJ is better at throwing (hitch, curl, slant, crosses) and get them much more involved.

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3) I think we will see more Holliday in the traditional role he has been in the past. As a decoy and as a end around/reverse type of player. I think the days of Holliday running routes are over


he is still being used as a decoy but it is from running routes, so i was wrong here. When Holliday is split out wide he draws a CB which means one of Lafell/TT/Randle is going to get a LB or a safety.


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4) I think that this week they will stress JJ going under center and using 3/5 step drops with play action to get rid of the ball quicker

we did see this on saturday but dickson didnt get more looks from it which is disappointing to me

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5) Miles likes to run the ball but he and Crowton are smart enough to know there are multiple ways to accomplish that and so they will implement the best scheme and plays that the OL can execute and cull the rest of it. The first cull should be the option with JJ


I think they only ran the option with JJ 3 times

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6) I understand what the 4 and 5 WR sets are supposed to do (spread the field) but JJ locks into WRs too much and those formations require him to read too much of the field. So I predict more 2WR and 3WR formations with less WR congestion on designated routes and more option routes for Lafell/Tolliver/Randle.


this was a noticeable change from before where Lafell and TT lined up more in the slot and Randle/Jackson/Holliday lined up more often on the outside.

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7) I think that Auburn and Tulane are a golden opportunity to take the training wheels off of Shepard and let him go into the deeper waters a bit. I think it is time to see him run a full offensive series as a QB, throw the ball a few times and run the offense. He was signed at LSU to play QB, he practices at QB and he is a play maker at QB. So give the kid a chance to be the QB.


I don't think is going to happen this year. Shep may get a series per half in the Bowl Game or next year but this year he is being limited in what they are asking him to do.

I think JLee will get a lot of snaps in the second half against Tulane in an opportunity to run the regular offense (and not just hand off) to get film to show what he can do. I believe that JLee will finish his three years under Crowton, transfer to a FCS school and start for two years. So the Tulane game will be the beginning of his second recruiting process. It is clear that JJ is the man and barring injury there is little JLee can do to break that trend.


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