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re: Morning radio host former center trying to throw shade on Scott
Posted on 10/19/21 at 10:46 am to FreddieMac
Posted on 10/19/21 at 10:46 am to FreddieMac
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Same guy who gave 90M/100M to Fisher would do that? no way!
To be fair, Pelini came in to run his defense. O wanted to run the defense his way. Why do you think LSU didn’t make adjustments to the State offense last year. Pelini didn’t suddenly forget how to coach, and he didn’t suddenly forget how to game plan for a one dimensional offense.
But O wanted LSU to play “attacking.” Aggressive pass rush and man concepts. Well, it bit him in the arse. By that time, Pelini said “frick it” and just ran what O wanted, which was a disaster.
Exactly like the Canada situation. Guy gets hired, but O doesn’t want to let the coordinator run his scheme. Offense looked like shite until after Alleva had to sit down with the two and tell O to get out of the way.
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Posted on 10/19/21 at 10:49 am to nicholastiger
I think I disagree with just about every single take I see from T-Bob. It's weird how much I disagree with him.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 10:50 am to MightyYat
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Some of you.... I swear to Christ.
1) It's not YOUR money. Why do you care?
2) He had just put together the greatest season in college football history. He signed the extension 2 weeks after the Clemson beatdown.
3) If Woodward doesn't give that extension and raise how do you think that conversation goes when he has to convince a top tier coach to come to LSU? Do you think those types of coaches are just going to take Scott's word if he screwed over O?
Sometimes you have to see the forest through the trees. Thankfully we finally have an AD that is really good at doing just that. The rant will no longer get coaches hired and that's a good thing.
Totally agree. Scott is the best AD in America.
His job is to raise money, get the support of donors and hire great coaches. Seems like he’s knocking it out the park
Posted on 10/19/21 at 10:53 am to MightyYat
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If Woodward doesn't give that extension and raise how do you think that conversation goes when he has to convince a top tier coach to come to LSU?
Agreed. It doesn't matter how much this gets posted, the low iq contributors on this board keep spewing their BS.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 10:54 am to MightyYat
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1) It's not YOUR money. Why do you care?
You must work for the Federal Government
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2) He had just put together the greatest season in college football history. He signed the extension 2 weeks after the Clemson beatdown.
O deserved a great bonus and a boost. He never should have gotten #2 money. He was not in high demand. Saban earned his way to the 9-10 million dollar peak by winning multiple NCs. O didn’t deserve to make close to Saban money.
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3) If Woodward doesn't give that extension and raise how do you think that conversation goes when he has to convince a top tier coach to come to LSU? Do you think those types of coaches are just going to take Scott's word if he screwed over O?
Sometimes you have to see the forest through the trees. Thankfully we finally have an AD that is really good at doing just that. The rant will no longer get coaches hired and that's a good thing.
Coaches already know LSU pays. They know the market. They know their worth. They also know O wasn’t worth 9 million a year on thd open market. Paying O 6 or 7 and sticking to the binder and spending big bucks on coordinators was the way to go.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 10:55 am to White Tiger
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Woodward approved the INSANE buyout
He didn't really have an option otherwise unless there was cause to fire him, which would have resulted in likely really ugly litigation and bad optics for the program, even best case scenario.
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gave too much of a raise
After HC of a perfect NC season, one of the best teams in college football, ever? Are you stupid?
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in my opinion
shite opinion.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 10:55 am to Cigar
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How do you tell a coach no he can’t hire someone?
Exactly. Would have been critical if he had told him no, so the AD is "damned" either way, I guess.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 10:56 am to Cigar
He's right
The HC should be allowed to hire his own assistants. I think all agree with that. But the AD ultimately approves the terms of the contract...including the salary. And the reality of the situation is that Woodward approved LARGE contracts for coordinators who had ZERO market demand to demand such contracts. Pelini was making about $200k at YSU. If he had such significant market demand he would have been making much more and/or found a major conf. D-1 job that would have paid him well above $200k. The reality is, he didn't. Nevertheless, WOODWARD agreed to a 3 year contract paying him 11x what he was set to make at YSU.
Did LSU have to give him a bump in salary to get him to leave a HC position to become a DC? Of course. But and ELEVEN fold increase for a guy to whom NO ONE else was going to pay that much? Absurd.
For Peetz, Woodward agreed to a $1.2 million salary for a NFL position coach who NO ONE else wanted to be their OC. Could Peetz negotiate a raise for leaving Carolina to move his family and take on more responsibility as a OC? Sure. But he likely received a 4X increase in pay for a guy with no market demand as an HC. Hell, LSU paid Scott Linehan less...and he had a FAR greater resume than Peetz.
Look, it is LSU's money, so they can pay what they want. But with respect to football all Woodward has done is grossly overpay guys with no market demand to justify it (Orgeron, Pelini, Peetz). Kim Mulkey had the resume and market demand to leverage LSU into paying her $2.5 million per year. If not, she would have just stayed at Baylor and continued to make a ton while competing for championships. The three bozos in football didn't have that type of demand...or anything close to it.
So no, the AD should not be dictating to HCs which assistants to hire. But he IS responsible for controlling the salaries and knowing the market demand.
The HC should be allowed to hire his own assistants. I think all agree with that. But the AD ultimately approves the terms of the contract...including the salary. And the reality of the situation is that Woodward approved LARGE contracts for coordinators who had ZERO market demand to demand such contracts. Pelini was making about $200k at YSU. If he had such significant market demand he would have been making much more and/or found a major conf. D-1 job that would have paid him well above $200k. The reality is, he didn't. Nevertheless, WOODWARD agreed to a 3 year contract paying him 11x what he was set to make at YSU.
Did LSU have to give him a bump in salary to get him to leave a HC position to become a DC? Of course. But and ELEVEN fold increase for a guy to whom NO ONE else was going to pay that much? Absurd.
For Peetz, Woodward agreed to a $1.2 million salary for a NFL position coach who NO ONE else wanted to be their OC. Could Peetz negotiate a raise for leaving Carolina to move his family and take on more responsibility as a OC? Sure. But he likely received a 4X increase in pay for a guy with no market demand as an HC. Hell, LSU paid Scott Linehan less...and he had a FAR greater resume than Peetz.
Look, it is LSU's money, so they can pay what they want. But with respect to football all Woodward has done is grossly overpay guys with no market demand to justify it (Orgeron, Pelini, Peetz). Kim Mulkey had the resume and market demand to leverage LSU into paying her $2.5 million per year. If not, she would have just stayed at Baylor and continued to make a ton while competing for championships. The three bozos in football didn't have that type of demand...or anything close to it.
So no, the AD should not be dictating to HCs which assistants to hire. But he IS responsible for controlling the salaries and knowing the market demand.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 10:58 am to Havoc
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gave too much of a raise
After HC of a perfect NC season, one of the best teams in college football, ever? Are you stupid?
He obviously gave too much if a raise. He paid close to Saban dollars to a coach who really couldn’t handle the success. That is obvious.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:00 am to doubleb
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O deserved a great bonus and a boost.He never should have gotten #2 money.
Do you know the conditions of his ed's contract?
What if I told you ed's contract stipulates that after winning a NC, he is to get compensation equal to top tier coach's in the league. Would you feel differently then? Also, the contract ed has is from the previous administration and Woodword is obligated to honor it.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:01 am to Alt26
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So no, the AD should not be dictating to HCs which assistants to hire. But he IS responsible for controlling the salaries and knowing the market demand.
It looks to me that O couldn’t hire assistants without substantial help from SW. O didn’t seem to have many contacts that he could call on to come to LSU fir market value. They only came for the money.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:02 am to WaterLink
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Also Woody has shown to give coaches autonomy in making assistant hires (even if O hired some bad ones) only makes the job more desirable.
Autonomy is one thing, thoroughly vetting a new hire beyond W-L's goes well beyond that and that is on the AD. Pelini the golfer was a stupid hire.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:03 am to WaterLink
It was unnecessary.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:03 am to jmon
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Do you know the conditions of his ed's contract?
What if I told you ed's contract stipulates that after winning a NC, he is to get compensation equal to top tier coach's in the league. Would you feel differently then? Also, the contract ed has is from the previous administration and Woodword is obligated to honor it.
Do you know that to be the case? And certainly SW would have to honor O’s contract if it stated he would be raised to thd second highest coach in America. But was that the case?
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:06 am to MightyYat
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:07 am to doubleb
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You must work for the Federal Government
It's not your money paying the buyouts is it? They're not paying these amounts of money with ticket money.
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O deserved a great bonus and a boost. He never should have gotten #2 money. He was not in high demand. Saban earned his way to the 9-10 million dollar peak by winning multiple NCs. O didn’t deserve to make close to Saban money.
Again, it put him at market value. He would only be behind Saban and Dabo but Dabo had a pretty large pandemic year pay reduction. He deserved to be paid more than David Shaw (stealing money btw), Lincoln Riley, Dan Mullen, Jimbo, Kirby Smart, etc. He put a HUGE skin on the wall that year.
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Coaches already know LSU pays. They know the market. They know their worth. They also know O wasn’t worth 9 million a year on thd open market. Paying O 6 or 7 and sticking to the binder and spending big bucks on coordinators was the way to go.
Maybe but the top tier coaches aren't making a move to LSU if Woodward short plays O after that season. It's really not that hard to understand.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:20 am to SeanLSU
In today's world where the is a MONOPOLY in the world of SPORT AGENTS,
the next contract will be HEAVILY LOADED on the tail end.
This is why I disagree with the letting go of O at this point.
Having said that, it is actually a sweet deal for O,
his money is no longer depending on performance.
Just for kicks..let's say that O has a couple of crazy wins and endS the season on a HIGH NOTE. Then the next coach comes in and has good seasons, but not spectacular... would Scott be in the hot seat ?
the next contract will be HEAVILY LOADED on the tail end.
This is why I disagree with the letting go of O at this point.
Having said that, it is actually a sweet deal for O,
his money is no longer depending on performance.
Just for kicks..let's say that O has a couple of crazy wins and endS the season on a HIGH NOTE. Then the next coach comes in and has good seasons, but not spectacular... would Scott be in the hot seat ?
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:20 am to doubleb
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He obviously gave too much if a raise. He paid close to Saban dollars to a coach who really couldn’t handle the success. That is obvious.
Well, yeah, no shite. We know that NOW. We didn't know that on January 24th 2020 when the new deal was signed.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:25 am to MightyYat
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You must work for the Federal Government
It's not your money paying the buyouts is it? They're not paying these amounts of money with ticket money.
And LSU couldn’t ask these donors other things like a new basketball arena? You can only milk that cow so many times.
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Again, it put him at market value. He would only be behind Saban and Dabo but Dabo had a pretty large pandemic year pay reduction. He deserved to be paid more than David Shaw (stealing money btw), Lincoln Riley, Dan Mullen, Jimbo, Kirby Smart, etc. He put a HUGE skin on the wall that year.
Market value for O was never close to 9m a year. He certainly had a huge skin on the wall, but prior to that he was not HC material. He was unique to LSU and had little market elsewhere.
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Maybe but the top tier coaches aren't making a move to LSU if Woodward short plays O after that season. It's really not that hard to understand
Alleva couldn’t get a top tier coach to LSU even though LSU had a history of paying big dollars first to Saban and then to Miles. Why was that? It’s because money isn’t the deciding factor. Paying O doesn’t make it easier to hire a new coach. The promise of working for SW, LSU’s status and the chance of a championship are more important. Money matters, but without all the rest you aren’t getting a top guy.
Posted on 10/19/21 at 11:27 am to MightyYat
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Well, yeah, no shite. We know that NOW. We didn't know that on January 24th 2020 when the new deal was signed.
So there was no reason to believe O would run off the tracks?
There were no personal issues? There were no personal or professional issues in his past?
And why jump him to #2? No one was bidding against us.
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