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re: Miles unethical negotiation at LSU
Posted on 11/16/18 at 1:48 pm to kew48
Posted on 11/16/18 at 1:48 pm to kew48
OP, they've been negotiating this for weeks. Very likely the "unethical" aspects were addressed as a part of the final negotiated payout.
Only bad thing about this whole ordeal is that Alleva was instrumental. Wouldn't be surprised if he didnt really screw it up
Only bad thing about this whole ordeal is that Alleva was instrumental. Wouldn't be surprised if he didnt really screw it up
Posted on 11/16/18 at 1:50 pm to kew48
He could have hung on for the entire $6.5 million. He did LSU a favor.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 1:51 pm to TG
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LSURussian
So basically you can't prove that LSU needed to pay Les Miles 1.5mm?
Posted on 11/16/18 at 1:53 pm to MisslePig
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MisslePig
Stop. Get some help.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 1:53 pm to MisslePig
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So basically you can't prove that LSU needed to pay Les Miles 1.5mm?
We can only prove that LSU "needed" to pay Les Miles $6.5mm.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 1:53 pm to JKChesterton
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You can't possibly know that.
I'll give you that. It's a theory.
When Les' contract is announced it's going to be WELL over 6.5mm through the initial buyout period.
I'll stick with LSU did not need to pay Les Miles $1.5mm.
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We can only prove that LSU "needed" to pay Les Miles $6.5mm.
Fair enough. I'm placing my entire theory on Les Miles 100% taking a job. Which he is.
This post was edited on 11/16/18 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 11/16/18 at 1:54 pm to kew48
If some of you folks think that Miles could not find another Division I Head Coaching job because he was being low balled in salary because of his LSU contract.(i.e.less than $1.5M) - you are the ones incredibly ignorant.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 1:56 pm to MisslePig
quote:Okay, Kansas tells Les "We're going to offer you $500,000/year for 4 years to be our head coach. In the fifth year your salary will increase to $2 million/year."
Prove to me LSU needed to settle with Les Miles.
Miles really wants to get back into coaching before it's too late so he takes the offer.
LSU still owed Miles $6.5 million over the next 4 years.
Subtracting the Kansas salary from LSU's obligation to Miles ($500,000 X 4 = $2 million), LSU still owes a coach (who is now coaching for another team) $4.5 million to be paid over the next 4 years.
Which would you rather do, pay $1.5 million now or $4.5 million over the next 4 years?
But if Miles decided not to take the Kansas offer (because he'd essentially be working for free since he'd be receiving the same total amount for NOT working at Kansas) LSU would then still be on the hook for the full $6.5 million over the next 4 years.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 1:57 pm to MisslePig
What would have been unethical is if Les went to LSU and said, "I am not going to take a job somewhere, but I will settle for $5M now, rather than $6.5M over a four year period.". Nothing could have prevented him from doing that, and then taking a job somewhere. He was very open, from what we know, and saved LSU $5M.
It could be like TN, who is still paying several million a year to fulfill a contract with Butch Jones, who is working for peanuts as an assistant at Bama.
I am sure it is not lost on the AD when he looked across the field after taking the beating at home and seeing Jones smoking a cigar which he likely purchased with money he got from UT.
Unethical or not, it is the nature of football coaching contracts. If you don't like it, take it up with Jimmy Sexton.
It could be like TN, who is still paying several million a year to fulfill a contract with Butch Jones, who is working for peanuts as an assistant at Bama.
I am sure it is not lost on the AD when he looked across the field after taking the beating at home and seeing Jones smoking a cigar which he likely purchased with money he got from UT.
Unethical or not, it is the nature of football coaching contracts. If you don't like it, take it up with Jimmy Sexton.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 1:58 pm to kew48
(He could have hung on for the entire $6.5 million. He did LSU a favor.)
--NOT TRUE- His new salary would offset his contracted payments obligations from LSU !!
--NOT TRUE- His new salary would offset his contracted payments obligations from LSU !!
Posted on 11/16/18 at 1:58 pm to MisslePig
quote:But you don't know if that would have been his offer from Kansas if he was still being paid his full salary from LSU.
When Les' contract is announced it's going to be WELL over 6.5mm through the initial buyout period.
That's a big assumption on your part.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 1:58 pm to JKChesterton
Or maybe he will but realistically maybe less is like, If I’m making 1.5 for the next 5 years mill sitting on my arse, I am Not gonna go try and rebuild a program for 2.5 mill for the next 4.
Not worth the effort. For an extra 3 mill I dont Really need.
Not worth the effort. For an extra 3 mill I dont Really need.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 1:58 pm to MisslePig
MissiePig:
Whatever Les negotiates with lets say Kansas is conditional on the fact that he has settled with LSU for $1.5 million of the $6.5 million he was owed. Have you ever had any advanced statistics, if you have done so, think of it in terms of Bayesian statistics. Les and whoever he negotiates with are now finalizing a deal, conditional on Les and LSU settling for $1.5 million (LSU saves $5 million). As long as LSU still owed Les the full $6.5 million, then there was the potential that schools interviewing Les could use the $6.5 million LSU owed Les to offer lower compensation on their end.
So les assume Les and KU come to terms, well if the current coach is making $1.7 million, which was a number somebody cited, that is $6.8 over 4 years, but with LSU on the hook for $6.5. KU could have said, we will pay $300K and LSU pays the difference. Les is $300K better off, but LSU is not.
Under scenario with Les settling for $1.5 million, LSU is $5 million better off. If KU offers Les the same money they are currently paying, $1.7 million for lets say 4 years, that is $6.8 million and with the $1.5 million, Les would be $2 million better off than sitting on the couch and collecting $6.5 million for LSU.
Win for Les and Win for LSU.
Whatever Les negotiates with lets say Kansas is conditional on the fact that he has settled with LSU for $1.5 million of the $6.5 million he was owed. Have you ever had any advanced statistics, if you have done so, think of it in terms of Bayesian statistics. Les and whoever he negotiates with are now finalizing a deal, conditional on Les and LSU settling for $1.5 million (LSU saves $5 million). As long as LSU still owed Les the full $6.5 million, then there was the potential that schools interviewing Les could use the $6.5 million LSU owed Les to offer lower compensation on their end.
So les assume Les and KU come to terms, well if the current coach is making $1.7 million, which was a number somebody cited, that is $6.8 over 4 years, but with LSU on the hook for $6.5. KU could have said, we will pay $300K and LSU pays the difference. Les is $300K better off, but LSU is not.
Under scenario with Les settling for $1.5 million, LSU is $5 million better off. If KU offers Les the same money they are currently paying, $1.7 million for lets say 4 years, that is $6.8 million and with the $1.5 million, Les would be $2 million better off than sitting on the couch and collecting $6.5 million for LSU.
Win for Les and Win for LSU.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 2:01 pm to kew48
Suck it fool. He could have kept getting paid from LSU
Posted on 11/16/18 at 2:01 pm to JKChesterton
I’m not a legal mind or a statistician, but when I first heard of his deal at 1 1/2 million, I thought LSU got a dang good deal.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 2:01 pm to MisslePig
quote:quote:Prove to me LSU needed to settle with Les Miles.
Let me guess....you're a liberal arts major??
Prove to me they didn't. Especially considering that LSU had lawyers looking at this and a guy who doesn't like Les Miles running the show. Why would they settle?
my recollection from the days of the original contract extension through 2019 for Les called for his buyout to be paid out either over the course of the original contract or over 5 years (purely going from recollection that it was one of those 2). If it was his negotiation with LSU for the payout benefitted LSU and it would not surprise me if there was something in the buyout that stipulated this type of settlement should he find employment.

Posted on 11/16/18 at 2:02 pm to LSURussian
When Les' contract is announced it's going to be WELL over 6.5mm through the initial buyout period.
But you don't know if that would have been his offer from Kansas if he was still being paid his full salary from LSU.
That's a big assumption on your part.
If this were true-he was not being ethical and open in his negotiations with Kansas !!
But you don't know if that would have been his offer from Kansas if he was still being paid his full salary from LSU.
That's a big assumption on your part.
If this were true-he was not being ethical and open in his negotiations with Kansas !!
Posted on 11/16/18 at 2:02 pm to SammyTiger
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Or maybe he will but realistically maybe less is like, If I’m making 1.5 for the next 5 years mill sitting on my arse, I am Not gonna go try and rebuild a program for 2.5 mill for the next 4. Not worth the effort. For an extra 3 mill I dont Really need.
SammyTiger: I understand your perspective, but Les has basically been part of football in some form every year of his life, except the few years he was in sales after he graduated from Michigan and last 2 years after LSU. It is basically all he has ever done and my guess it is just the competitive nature in him and the enjoyment (Les term) he gets from being part of and in this case leading a "Team." Maybe it is just part of his DNA personality.
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