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re: Men's College Baseball - Has this been a successful year?
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:05 pm to Mrs. Amaro
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:05 pm to Mrs. Amaro
I don't think any college baseball team should be "championship or bust" due to the nature of the game. I will be disappointed if we go 2&Q though when we have Skenes and the lineup we have.
I don't think you can consider this season a "failure" though even if that happens.
I don't think you can consider this season a "failure" though even if that happens.
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Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:05 pm to timlan2057
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To compare: JJ has made Omaha in his second season. Kim Mulkey won a NC in her second season. Watch CBK make the playoffs his second season. All of this is going to shine a glaring spotlight on softball trending downward in Beth Torina’s 13th year. More and more people who count are going to be asking “what is she still doing here?”
Cough, men’s basketball, cough cough
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:06 pm to Choupique19
Well every single draft board praises Taylor. Wes Johnson and Jay Johnson think incredibly highly of him.
Going to safely assume he was a huge loss but okay.
We are 48-15 and going to Omaha. The typical loaded vandy boys and the great Tim Corbin can’t say that. DVH and Arkansas can’t say that, I’d say he’s a damn good coach.
The season has gone well. 0-2 in Omaha would be a huge bummer but to this point it’s been a nice season.
Going to safely assume he was a huge loss but okay.
We are 48-15 and going to Omaha. The typical loaded vandy boys and the great Tim Corbin can’t say that. DVH and Arkansas can’t say that, I’d say he’s a damn good coach.
The season has gone well. 0-2 in Omaha would be a huge bummer but to this point it’s been a nice season.
This post was edited on 6/13/23 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:06 pm to Mrs. Amaro
I don’t like the championship or bust mentality. Especially in baseball where shite happens and the “better” team doesn’t always win.
That said, I’d consider it a good year so far… very Good year if we are one of the final 4 teams standing, and a great year if we’re one of the final 2 teams standing. Excellent year if we’re the champs.
This team is squarely in the mix to win it all, and that’s all we can ask for as a fan.
That said, I’d consider it a good year so far… very Good year if we are one of the final 4 teams standing, and a great year if we’re one of the final 2 teams standing. Excellent year if we’re the champs.
This team is squarely in the mix to win it all, and that’s all we can ask for as a fan.
This post was edited on 6/13/23 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:11 pm to JPLSU1981
The championship or bust mentality just puts so much pressure on college kids that is incredibly unwarranted and they won't be capable of living up to it. Think about that. These kids have been playing every day thinking we've got to win a title or the fan base will hate us lol and these are some of the best players in the country. They made Omaha. Go out there and give it your all and see what happens. It's a successful season to end in Omaha.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:12 pm to timlan2057
quote:I doubt it's going to result in an avalanche of questions over softball
More and more people who count are going to be asking “what is she still doing here?”
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:15 pm to TopWaterTiger
The problem is that too many LSU baseball fans are football people by nature and do not understand the realities of baseball. In football, every game is a big deal and anything after 3 losses is an issue. In baseball, even great teams will hit slumps, especially when there are 60+ games on the schedule. Winning championships in baseball is about hoping those slumps happen in the regular season. Even if you have talent, have the proper rotation on the pitching staff and have the batting order right, losing 2 out of 3 is very easy to do in baseball and if it happens in the postseason, you're done.
In the 1909 World Series, Ty Cobb hit .231 and only stole 1 base in a 7-game series. (Cobb was a career .366 hitter and stole 897 bases) I doubt he had such a poor 7 game showing at any other point in his career. But that kind of stuff happens in baseball, sometimes at the worst times. Our fans who are used to 12 game football seasons where just 1 bad game can mean everything being lost don't get that.
Getting to the postseason with a good seeding is what makes a good and successful team. After that, there is a lot of luck that goes with it. So, yes, this has been a successful season.
In the 1909 World Series, Ty Cobb hit .231 and only stole 1 base in a 7-game series. (Cobb was a career .366 hitter and stole 897 bases) I doubt he had such a poor 7 game showing at any other point in his career. But that kind of stuff happens in baseball, sometimes at the worst times. Our fans who are used to 12 game football seasons where just 1 bad game can mean everything being lost don't get that.
Getting to the postseason with a good seeding is what makes a good and successful team. After that, there is a lot of luck that goes with it. So, yes, this has been a successful season.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:19 pm to bstaceyau19
LSU fans also have an illusion of guaranteed success considering how efficient Skip Bertman was in Omaha.
Texas has been to the CWS 36 times to our 19 and have won the same amount of CWS titles. When you're in Omaha it is a crapshoot. There will never be a formula to duplicate what we did in the 90s.
Same haters think Tim Corbin is a demigod, and Vanderbilt routinely underachieves compared to its recruiting success.
Texas has been to the CWS 36 times to our 19 and have won the same amount of CWS titles. When you're in Omaha it is a crapshoot. There will never be a formula to duplicate what we did in the 90s.
Same haters think Tim Corbin is a demigod, and Vanderbilt routinely underachieves compared to its recruiting success.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:28 pm to ell_13
The season at this point is sitting at a B+ or A- grade. We haven’t won any hardware yet. Had we won the SEC regular season title we would be firmly in “A” range. But we didn’t. And due to the fact that we did not win the SEC regular season title we certainly made it an “Omaha or bust” postseason.
If we don’t make it to the CWS finals I will stick with my B+ to A- grade.
If we don’t make it to the CWS finals I will stick with my B+ to A- grade.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:32 pm to Choupique19
that's a fair grade. That's also a successful year from a grading standpoint 
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:32 pm to ccox11
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We have the 2 best players in the country. We have a roster more talented than 6 MLB farm systems.
If you actually read the article, you would know this is redundant since the value of the roster based on the metric used to quantify it came almost entirely from Skenes and Crews.
This post was edited on 6/13/23 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:35 pm to MikeTheTiger71
I passed on mentioning that lsu is not better than an entire roster of mlb farm players lmao
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:37 pm to tigerbait2010
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that's a fair grade. That's also a successful year from a grading standpoint
Right. I wouldn’t call this season a bust. But we are still lacking at this point, with a chance to remedy that.
I agree with the “it’s not fair to have a championship or bust mentality.” Because in the postseason one bad weekend (maybe even one bad game, or one bad inning) can doom your season.
My point with the SEC championship is we had 10 weekends to prove we were the best team in the SEC. Bad weekends happen, and the Auburn weekend didn’t hurt us bad. It was the 3-3 finish against Miss State and UGA that kept us from winning the SEC title. And that was disappointing.
But this team has stayed focused on the ultimate prize and are one of only eight teams left with a chance to reach that goal. This season has the chance to go from good to great with 9 more good days.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:45 pm to tigerbait2010
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bulk of our best pitchers
Yep people forget what that list actually looks like. All of these guys at worst were expected to be high end bull pen arms. Give us any 2 back and we are easily the favorites goign into the CWS.
Grant Taylor
Kaleb Applebey
Jaden Noot
Chase Shores
Garrett Edwards
Jason Bollman
Posted on 6/13/23 at 3:58 pm to Sailin Tiger
If Taylor, Shores, and Edwards had remained healthy in 2023, we would be the #1 seed, IMO.
My personal goals for LSU to have a successful season are:
1. Finish in top 4 of SEC,
2. Be a top 8 seed in the NCAA's, and
3. Make it to Omaha.
So, IMO we already have had a successful season. The only way I could be disappointed now is if we would lay a complete egg in Omaha. I do NOT expect these players to do that.
My personal goals for LSU to have a successful season are:
1. Finish in top 4 of SEC,
2. Be a top 8 seed in the NCAA's, and
3. Make it to Omaha.
So, IMO we already have had a successful season. The only way I could be disappointed now is if we would lay a complete egg in Omaha. I do NOT expect these players to do that.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 4:01 pm to MikeTheTiger71
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If you actually read the article, you would know this is redundant since the value of the roster based on the metric used to quantify it came almost entirely from Skenes and Crews.
I did read the article. 78% of the team's value is from those two. What makes you think I didn't?
This team is the most talented team in the country. If they lose in Omaha, they will have won 0 championships this season and will have lost 17-18 games. Go back and look at the expectations before the season. 0 championships and 17-18 losses would have been disappointing by any preseason prediction by anyone.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 4:01 pm to ProjectP2294
Agree
The MCWS shite pisses me off. Been watching CWS since the 80s when players like Bonds and Clemens were in it. It was never MCWS til a year or two ago.
The MCWS shite pisses me off. Been watching CWS since the 80s when players like Bonds and Clemens were in it. It was never MCWS til a year or two ago.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 4:21 pm to ccox11
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I did read the article. 78% of the team's value is from those two. What makes you think I didn't?
You presented it as if it was an additional item that was somehow different from having the top two draft picks on the roster. The two points are exactly the same. LSU has the two best players in college baseball, but that isn’t necessarily the same as having the best roster or the most talent overall. They are the best offensive team in the country, but they have struggled to fill the holes caused by injury in the bullpen and third starter roles. There are hopeful signs of late, but I would hardly describe the season as a failure if lack of pitching depth keeps them from the title.
Posted on 6/13/23 at 4:34 pm to Mrs. Amaro
There’s a reason they dogpile after winning the Supers. Getting to Omaha is the goal.
Now we have a new goal, to win it all.
But the season has already been a success. Anyone that says otherwise is being unfair to the players who have worked and played their assess off — and delivered a great experience to the fans all season long.
Now we have a new goal, to win it all.
But the season has already been a success. Anyone that says otherwise is being unfair to the players who have worked and played their assess off — and delivered a great experience to the fans all season long.
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