re: McMahon may prove to be a solid hire.

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I believe a Coach must be given 4 - 5 years

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I think back in Dale's day I would agree with you. In fact he needed all of 4-5 years before you could even begin to see progress with his program. He did not have a team make the post season until his seventh year.

But today's landscape is so totally different. Kids can transfer almost at will if they don't feel they are getting enough playing time. You can do your best as a coach to try to maintain some semblance of stability but for the most part you are starting over almost every year.

So you are going to need a coach that can navigate that situation best. 4-5 years ain't what it used to be and ain't always gonna be granted these days.

I always thought he could coach, just not sure on the recruiting end.

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McMahon convinced the 2022 class WW recruited to stay and enroll after WW got fired, that class consisted of a 5 star, 2 4 stars, and a 3 star. Jalen Reed and Tyrell Ward are still on the team.

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That is 100% false. The guys that CWW had commiteed all decommiteed and CMM was able to piece together a really solid class on his own. Ward, Reid, and Phillips were all CMM recruits, not CWW. Give props where props are due.

He’s always recruited well he’s just been sub par coaching.

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He’s always recruited well he’s just been sub par coaching.

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So what coaches on campus are any good? Seems like you aren't a fan of any of them.

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Same doesn't apply to Kelly I guess

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Just from Kelly's contract alone it doesn't apply.

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Johnson
Kelly
Mulkey

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You've hammered Kelly and Mulkey a good bit. And this is an unpopular take but Mulkey is a great great great recruiter but she's an average coach X and O wise.


Edited to say. Not Mulkey but Johnson. Typo

You can't name one false claim I've made. I have zero problem with critique for a coach when warranted. Like I said I have my issues with Mulkey but she's still the best coach for LSU and wouldn't trade her for anybody. I have a problem with critiques that make no sense or making assumptions before things have played out. Like you with Daniels. You were a bigtime Jayden non believer until all the sudden you were a believer. It's college sports. Players develop. Coaches develop teams. It takes time.

I upvoted because I'm not even sure what that says exactly. I didn't judge anybody. I judged arguments. In fact I've said before you are likely a pretty fun person to sit and chat with. What accusation did I make that I can't support? I know you hate specifics so you won't answer.

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I upvoted because I'm not even sure what that says exactly. I didn't judge anybody. I judged arguments. In fact I've said before you are likely a pretty fun person to sit and chat with. What accusation did I make that I can't support? I know you hate specifics so you won't answer.

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As a neutral observer to this back and forth, you did accuse him of basically being a flip flopper that makes strong opinions and the changes them on a whim. You also insinuated that he hates all of our coaches. I think you can root for a coach and criticize them when they make mistakes. I also think that its fair to hold an opinion and then change it once you get more evidence.

As for the MadKing, you have been a little all over the place with your opinions in this particular thread. You started by claiming that CMM could have brought back all of CWW's players but they "didn't want to play for him" and then later said that recruiting has never been his issue. This is a bit contradictory. I get it, CMM has to prove he can actually win games consistently but in this thread at least, it feels like you are grabbing onto random arguments on opposite ends of the spectrum to prove your point.