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re: Manieri says "limitations were exposed"
Posted on 6/19/15 at 8:40 am to Penrod
Posted on 6/19/15 at 8:40 am to Penrod
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but the game was over by that time
If we don't give up the 2 runs because of the absolutely stupid move to replace him with Stallings its a 6-3 ballgame..
We had a runner on 2nd and 3rd 8-4 in the 9th inning. 6-4 there and actually putting in a PH could have tied the fricking game up. How was the game over??
Posted on 6/19/15 at 8:40 am to Flamefighter
quote:really?
desposile
this ain't usl
Posted on 6/19/15 at 8:41 am to Penrod
Well shot. We should have skipped Omaha.
And yet the 7th best team in the ACC is in the driver's seat. Their pitching must be other worldly.
Or maybe he just knows how to manage in the postseason. Amazing he's Paul's protege but Paul doesn't get it himself.
And yet the 7th best team in the ACC is in the driver's seat. Their pitching must be other worldly.
Or maybe he just knows how to manage in the postseason. Amazing he's Paul's protege but Paul doesn't get it himself.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 9:04 am to tigerskin
That's what he should be saying, but doesn't want to admit it. He sat down the best pitcher in the nation for the most critical game of the year. That put us in a week long losers bracket and two(2) extra games. We can only hope those kinds of decisions don't continue year after year.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 9:13 am to lsutigers1992
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Whatever. That's the limitation. TCU threw garbage at our batters and we chased ALL OF IT. Our hitters panic in a close game and we are too impatient to work a count and chase a good pitcher. That's how you beat LSU in the postseason. Stony Brook did it. Houston did it. TCU did it.
I agree.
Above all baseball is a game of repetition...I'm a firm believer that if you play the game like it's close when you're winning by 6 runs then you'll be able to properly play the percentages of the game when you have too. Not sure of the final pitch count with the 15 straight that were retired, but when 11 straight were retired, the TCU pitcher had thrown something like 33 pitches...that's approximately 3 pitches per out. That allows the pitcher to be on cruise control. But, with the exception of Bregman, who obviously knows how to hit, we are not a disciplined hitting team and while that may work well a lot of the times with average pitching, when you're not coached how to be a hitter, it definitely shows when you face good pitching like you most certainly will in Omaha.
An analogy to this lack of a sound hitting philosophy and the need for a consistent approach would be Kade Scivicque's phenomenal ability to block a pitch in the dirt...he can do it extraordinarily well with runners on base because he does the right way when he doesn't have too.
There's no denying that this team had a phenomenal year at the plate...but, with the proper plate discipline this team could have had that extra bullet that could have been the difference between playing on in Omaha or coming home today. The "extra bullet" is about the percentages and the game of baseball is all about the percentages.
All that said, the philosophy and the strategy of the game rests with the coaches, the execution rests with the players.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 9:14 am to tigerskin
Marinara is a mediocre coach coasting on the LSU baseball legacy. Nothing more.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 9:15 am to tigerskin
I wouldn't say decisions as much as I would say execution. Free bases, whether it be walks, errors, etc, will cause you to lose games in post season baseball on any level.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 9:47 am to Rickety Cricket
This kind of crap is exactly what I expected to read this morning. Obviously, it's CPM's fault that Hale, Stevenson & Chinea combine to go for 3 for 60'ish, Foster for whatever he went. Forget the pitching, how many runners in scoring position did we leave on base when a hit or 2-3 would have turned all of the CWS's games around. Pitching? How many are freshmen? Poche's back to back errors on one of the simplest fielding plays in baseball, then his walking/hitting a batter to bring in 2 more runs, all had a lot more to do with that loss than any coaching decision by CPM.And in the last game, LSU had exactly 4 hits going into the 8th inning, all in the early innings. And just consider this, CPM's peers, in the SEC & nationwide, voted him COY.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 9:52 am to tigerskin
My gripe with Manieri is how he changes the team's approach, pitching wise, for the CWS.
You played the last half/third of the year a certain way for pitching rotation, then abandon that approach here just because of matchups?
Sends the wrong message to your team right off the bat.
Last night, the one guy who looked great against 3 batters gets pulled after that inning. I was stunned.
You played the last half/third of the year a certain way for pitching rotation, then abandon that approach here just because of matchups?
Sends the wrong message to your team right off the bat.
Last night, the one guy who looked great against 3 batters gets pulled after that inning. I was stunned.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 9:56 am to Keltic Tiger
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, it's CPM's fault that Hale, Stevenson & Chinea combine to go for 3 for 60'ish, Foster for whatever he went
It is and obviously you are too stupid to realize it. These guys have zero discipline and they're swinging at crap. Who's setting them aside and telling them to stop it? Who's telling them that 13 straight outs on 36 pitches is unacceptable? Who's telling them that taking two pitches in a row is not illegal?
You're in the biggest hitting slump of the year and your answer is "well, just swing at everything and maybe you'll get lucky?" And you can't see how this is about coaching?
This post was edited on 6/19/15 at 10:00 am
Posted on 6/19/15 at 10:06 am to lsutigers1992
We just didn't have the horses this year baws.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 10:25 am to Slapouttiger
CPM and CLM won early and now you can't get rid of em. They are mediocre coaches with the best talent and we give em passes all the while they make stupid decisions.
Not a big baseball fan at the college level because of the stupid fricking bats. But I played and do follow MLB. CPM not sacrificing runners into scoring positions when you are struggling at the plate is something I don't understand. Especially in a ball park that yields very few home runs. Put the pressure on the defense with small ball with hitters that are struggling and let the hot bats swing away. And Lange should of started game fricking one.
Not a big baseball fan at the college level because of the stupid fricking bats. But I played and do follow MLB. CPM not sacrificing runners into scoring positions when you are struggling at the plate is something I don't understand. Especially in a ball park that yields very few home runs. Put the pressure on the defense with small ball with hitters that are struggling and let the hot bats swing away. And Lange should of started game fricking one.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 11:19 am to beauchristopher
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We had no reason treating this game like a midweek game
This was my thought exactly as my eyeballs melted out of my head into the puddle of tears on the floor in front of me.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 11:26 am to beauchristopher
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because they played their pitching better
because they have better pitching.
There is a difference.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 11:28 am to tigerskin
Did anyone else notice the first pitcher roll his eyes when he was yanked for allowing 1 run?
Posted on 6/19/15 at 11:57 am to jglass3lsu
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If any team not wearing purple and gold told you they were going to win the CWS with two starters and a mash-up of relievers, you guys would laugh them straight out of the building.
Not to mention an offense that, once well-scouted, cannot hit the ball very well.
This is spot on.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 12:08 pm to lsuhou74
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Exactly cant win in Omaha with 2 starters.
LSU only had one solid starter IMO. The bullpen didn't have a solid closer down the stretch either.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 1:01 pm to tigerskin
I love these meltdown threads that bash all of our coaching decisions. We weren't good enough this year. We had two quality starters on the mound and everybody else was inconsistent. TCU had a much better pitching staff and they were just a better team than us. Until we build some better pitching staffs, we will never have the tools to win at TD Ameritrade. The 90's are over, Skip Bertman is gone, and a lot more schools are putting money into baseball now. The sport is much more competitive now. We will not win the national title every other year anymore. Deal with it.
Posted on 6/19/15 at 1:38 pm to Keltic Tiger
This team had no left handed power hitters. 8 Hrs or less and two were inside the park. Throughout the year they left runners in scoring position. Don't know the stats but could not produce with rsip and less than two out...They had no clutch hitting throughout the year. True the pitching lacked late in the year but aggressive hitting was no where.
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