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re: Malachi Dupre carried off on stretcher
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:14 am to moneyg
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:14 am to moneyg
I honestly cant recall a penalty being called on something like this where it wasnt a QB or defenseless receiver.
It was guy running with ball and the defender clearly aimed lower at the shoulder and Dupre fell into slightly.
Again, IDEALLY, you dont want to tackle like that, but I dont think it was a dirty tackle. It didnt get flagged.
It was guy running with ball and the defender clearly aimed lower at the shoulder and Dupre fell into slightly.
Again, IDEALLY, you dont want to tackle like that, but I dont think it was a dirty tackle. It didnt get flagged.
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Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:15 am to moneyg
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That looks like a normal football play to me.
then you probably never played/practiced/watched a lot of football. Again, every single thing about this hit is what even the worst football coaches on planet Earth teach you at 5 years old not to do.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:16 am to cas4t
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holy frick. the rule is for the player doing the hitting as well because he can break his neck. There are a lot of soft arse rules to complain about with the NFL, but the rule of launching/spearing/leading with the crown is not one of them. They teach you not to do this shite in pee wee fricking football.
I am fine with the new rule from a safety standpoint. But to anyone who played in late 70's or early 80's, spearing was a regular occurrence. When I ran with the ball, I lead with my head. Did so on defense on occasion as well. Hell, we had a drill called "head on".
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:17 am to ColeLSU
lots of things don't get flagged, Cole
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:18 am to glaucon
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Or we are just not giant fricking assholes. Players are literally suffering brain damage and you are like its fine, just the way the game is played. You are like someone bitching about seat belts being installed in cars or children being prevented from working in factories.
Way to panic like the exact people Im talking about
It wasnt an ideal tackle, but get the frick over it. Its football. Dupre wasnt defenseless. If youre scared of brain trauma dont accept lots of money to play...... These guys make the decision.
But yes, lets compare me not thinking a football hit was awful to me thinking its acceptable for children to work factories. Good god youre insufferable.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:19 am to Stevo
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But to anyone who played in late 70's or early 80's, spearing was a regular occurrence. When I ran with the ball, I lead with my head. Did so on defense on occasion as well. Hell, we had a drill called "head on".
they also didn't wear face masks at one point in history. I understand how things were "back in the day". It doesn't add any value to this argument though.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:20 am to Stevo
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the new rule
What new rule?
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:20 am to cas4t
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lots of things don't get flagged, Cole
And lots of things do.....
A helmet to the shoulder pad shouldnt be one.......and what do you know?...it wasnt
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:21 am to wilceaux
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Why do you knuckleheads keep repeating this like it has any relevance? He launched himself with his arms lowered, leading with his crown. This has been illegal for a long time.
I've heard some people advocate removing the face mask to help with concussions and safety. I don't know if I'm in agreement with that yet.
However, one thing is clear, if that player wasn't wearing a face mask he wouldn't be launching like that and using his head as a weapon and Dupre probably wouldn't have ended up in the hospital.
This post was edited on 8/11/17 at 10:23 am
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:23 am to ColeLSU
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and what do you know?...it wasnt
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:24 am to ColeLSU
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I honestly cant recall a penalty being called on something like this where it wasnt a QB or defenseless receiver.
It was guy running with ball and the defender clearly aimed lower at the shoulder and Dupre fell into slightly.
Again, IDEALLY, you dont want to tackle like that, but I dont think it was a dirty tackle. It didnt get flagged.
You clearly don't have an understanding of the rules:
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Crown of Helmet
For safety reasons, the Committee believes that crown-of-the-helmet hits by defenders that were previously legal because the defender did not line up the runner should be illegal regardless of whether the defender lines up the runner prior to making contact. When the rule was first implemented, game officials were instructed to look for three elements for interpreting the rule for initiating forcible contact with the crown of the helmet: The player must line up his opponent
He must lower his head
He must make forcible contact with the crown of the helmet.
Game officials will be instructed to call fouls when a defender lowers his head and makes forcible contact with the crown of his helmet on a runner outside the tackle box. The line-up requirement will still apply to a runner, since in many instances that player ducks his head to protect himself from impending contact by a defender, rather than to deliver a blow.
Just because the officials blew the call doesn't make the hit legit.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:24 am to glaucon
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Or we are just not giant fricking assholes. Players are literally suffering brain damage and you are like its fine
This is actually a great example of the snowflake attitude. Brutal hits exist. They aren't always intentional or malicious. However, rather than accept the fact that risks and imperfections exists, many have to fool themselves into thinking a negative situation can and should be resolved by adding a rule.
You seem unable to see past the unfortunate result (player being injured in a scary way) to realize that a ball carrier with his feet under him heading downfield is always a little at risk of being blown up if he doesn't protect himself. It's been that way forever. It's football.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:26 am to wilceaux
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What new rule?
leading with head.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:27 am to Stevo
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But to anyone who played in late 70's or early 80's, spearing was a regular occurrence.
That doesn't make it ok. That's why so many guys have life long brain injury now. They made the rule to change the game and make it safer for players. This is the type of hit they are trying to get rid of. It doesn't matter if it was common in the 70's or 80's.
This post was edited on 8/11/17 at 10:33 am
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:28 am to Lester Earl
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Ya, you don't know the rules but that's ok.
2013 rule change
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NEW RULE: A ban on a ball carrier initiating contact with the crown of his helmet in the open field or by a defender while making a tackle.
What the rule changes: A 15-yard penalty will be called if a runner or a tackler initiates forcible contact by delivering a blow with the top/crown of his helmet against an opponent when both players clearly are outside the tackle box (an area extending from tackle-to-tackle and from 3 yards beyond the line of scrimmage to the offensive team's end line). Incidental contact by the helmet of a runner or a tackler against an opponent would not be deemed a foul.
Yeah, you don't know the rules, but that's OK too
Tackler clearly launched with his helmet, while his arms are pinned to his sides. It's not even debatable
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:28 am to moneyg
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You seem unable to see past the unfortunate result (player being injured in a scary way) to realize that a ball carrier with his feet under him heading downfield is always a little at risk of being blown up if he doesn't protect himself. It's been that way forever. It's football.
No no no no. I'm just a ruthless a-hole in favor of broke necks and child executions apparently. He's the white knight here to reign justice down upon every hit where helmet contact exists.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:28 am to Stevo
Decorticate Posturing was the position he was in last night. You typically see this in comatose patients.Decorticate posture is a sign of damage to the nerve pathway between the brain and spinal cord.It's also a sign of brain damage and needs medical attention right away. Prayers for Malachi 
This post was edited on 8/11/17 at 10:30 am
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:29 am to cas4t
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then you probably never played/practiced/watched a lot of football
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Again, every single thing about this hit is what even the worst football coaches on planet Earth teach you at 5 years old not to do.
I think everyone agrees you shouldn't lead with the crown of your helmet and certainly shouldn't lower your head when tackling. However, anyone being honest also knows that these defenders are protecting themselves as well...and they are reacting at incredible speeds. This wasn't a Chuck Cecil hit. This wasn't intentional. And, Malachi needs to protect himself as a runner. We see hits like this in every single game.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:29 am to PoppaD
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That doesn't make it ok. That's why so many guys have life long issues now. They made the rule to change the game and make it safer for players. This is the type of hit they are trying to get rid of. It doesn't matter if it was common in the 70's or 80's.
totally agree.
Posted on 8/11/17 at 10:30 am to TechDawg2007
Most guys who get knocked unsconscious arms extend and open. We have seen this over and over in football. Javed Best in a bowl game was the most notable.
This post was edited on 8/11/17 at 10:37 am
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