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re: Major Flaw in the "Name someone better" argument
Posted on 11/19/14 at 6:15 pm to Prominentwon
Posted on 11/19/14 at 6:15 pm to Prominentwon
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Texas is not a lateral.move. it's just not
It definitely isn't a good move, or a move anyone in Les's position would make.
This is the place Les is going to retire, and everyone knows that. You leaves a Elite program in the SEC with a 102K stadium, to go coach at Texas after Mack ran it into the ground?
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Posted on 11/19/14 at 6:28 pm to SammyTiger
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It definitely isn't a good move, or a move anyone in Les's position would make
The truth is no one is beating down the door for Miles. And there's a reason for that. Certainly he could get another job but he couldn't sniff jobs at these other programs paying on par with what LSU pays him.
On one hand you guys are saying Miles is entrenched in the greatest job and anything else would be a move down or lateral at best.
Then the next minute you guys are saying that LSU is not on par with those other programs and won't be able to get anyone worth a shite.
Which is it?
Posted on 11/19/14 at 6:36 pm to Jeffreylebowski
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You tellin me someone else couldn't do better than losing 22 games since 08? With the talent base of LA, resources, passion, facilities?
Yes im telling you the next guy probably wont have the 3rd best win % in sec history. Which is why miles has.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 6:37 pm to CptBengal
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-10 against the top 25 teams.
Those stats seem similar to his recent SEC output.....dont they?
Since his hire, no program has beaten more ranked teams than lsu. Facts and shite.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 6:43 pm to JaxTiger10
IMHO, being older than a lot here is that we seem to want someone who has had A LOT OF HISTORY, which means their energy level may be down some ...I would not hire a coach over 55.
whoever replaces Miles (whenever) should be a coach that has proven himself as a coach...not necessarily in the SEC and maybe not even in a top Div I school,but has made a mark. Recruiting has to be a strong suit.
up and coming coaches have a better relation w/ some players and some are doing great things.
Such coach should be in the 38 to 50 (55max) age group.
whoever replaces Miles (whenever) should be a coach that has proven himself as a coach...not necessarily in the SEC and maybe not even in a top Div I school,but has made a mark. Recruiting has to be a strong suit.
up and coming coaches have a better relation w/ some players and some are doing great things.
Such coach should be in the 38 to 50 (55max) age group.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 6:46 pm to JaxTiger10
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Yes im telling you the next guy probably wont have the 3rd best win % in sec history. Which is why miles has.
Is there ever a point where factors will matter more than his total winning %? Or does his career winning % have to reach a specific number before you think changes should be made?
Is that the only factor?
Posted on 11/19/14 at 6:48 pm to CptBengal
You really have to be one of the most annoying frickers on this board... Your hate for CLM is amazing, and before you say 'where did I say I hate him', you don't have to, it's called reading comprehension
This post was edited on 11/19/14 at 7:34 pm
Posted on 11/19/14 at 6:48 pm to nm1230
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On one hand you guys are saying Miles is entrenched in the greatest job and anything else would be a move down or lateral at best.
Then the next minute you guys are saying that LSU is not on par with those other programs and won't be able to get anyone worth a shite.
Which is it?
Just because i don't think we can do better than one of the best coaches in the country, doesn't mean i don't think LSU isn't on par.
OSU got lucky that Urban wanted to run away from the SEC
Otherwise i don't think any of their hires are better than les miles
Florid- clearly not
Notre Dame- got the shite kicked out of them by Bama in 2012
Texas- Charlie strong is good, but he has a huge mess to clean up. I am not willing to say he is a better coach than Les.
USC hires Sarkisian, and he is only ok
None of them went and got a coach from an elite program. they went and got coaches from Louisville, Cincinnati, Washington, and a Coach who was retired because his team losing 5 games gave him heart burn so bad he quit.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 6:49 pm to Jeffreylebowski
Now who do we get?
Posted on 11/19/14 at 6:50 pm to nm1230
I think LSUGrandDad said it best, that timing and situations are different for programs. It's a fluid thing how good a job is.
Michigan sniffed around Miles twice and the state of that program was different both times. Is that a lateral move or step down now? Probably. Seven years ago? Maybe not.
Michigan sniffed around Miles twice and the state of that program was different both times. Is that a lateral move or step down now? Probably. Seven years ago? Maybe not.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 6:53 pm to SammyTiger
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Notre Dame- got the shite kicked out of them by Bama in 2012
So did LSU. Does that mean Kelly isn't a good hire? Does that mean Notre Dame isn't a good job?
This post was edited on 11/19/14 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 11/19/14 at 6:54 pm to ShortyRob
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Um. I'm pretty on record as unhappy with Miles but, 30-38 most certainly is vastly different than 28-21.
Hell, the former is a 44% winning percentage and the latter is 57%.
No, I mean, 13% is pretty vastly different in football.
It's a moderate improvement, but nothing drastic. Plus, Miles never finished a season ranked in the Top 25. Simmons did.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 6:56 pm to nm1230
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there ever a point where factors will matter more than his total winning %? Or does his career winning % have to reach a specific number before you think changes should be made?
Why should lsu fans care about his win% before he got to LSU? No ine cared what Saban's win % was at Michigan State.
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Is that the only factor?
Yes. Winning is all that matters.i dont care if lsu has 100 yards of offense, if we win.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 6:59 pm to JaxTiger10
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there ever a point where factors will matter more than his total winning %? Or does his career winning % have to reach a specific number before you think changes should be made?
Why should lsu fans care about his win% before he got to LSU? No ine cared what Saban's win % was at Michigan State.
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Is that the only factor?
Yes. Winning is all that matters.i dont care if lsu has 100 yards of offense, if we win.
I meant his overall winning pct at LSU.
What will that have to fall to before a change should be made? In your opinion of course.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 7:01 pm to nm1230
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The truth is no one is beating down the door for Miles.
When are people going to realize that Miles is under contract and has a huuuuuuuuuuuge buyout right now. Nobody, even Texas, would buy him out right now. Also, LSU cannot afford to buy him out either.
Since Les aint going anywhere maybe The Rant could open a Suggestion Box Board for all the wannabe coaches we have on here and Chicken can forward em to the Coaching Staff...
Posted on 11/19/14 at 7:01 pm to nm1230
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So did LSU. Does that mean Kelly isn't a good hire? Does that mean Notre Dame isn't a good job?
Notre Dame isn't a good job.
20,000 person smaller stadium
Haven't won a championship since 1988
Have been blown out in every BCS bowl they have overplayed in. (closed was 14 points)
Are located in Indiana with no local recruiting base. They are also 3-9 in Bowl games in the average recruits lifetime.
They have the name brand where a great amazing coach could do great amazing things, but they Brian Kelley isn't going to do those things there.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 7:04 pm to nm1230
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What will that have to fall to before a change should be made? In your opinion of course.
Honesty, if you have a coach that has the 10th best win % in sec history, you have a great coach. Miles accumulated his gaudy win %
During the most successful era of sec football, EVER.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 7:05 pm to nm1230
I've been doing really well with staying off this board becuase of the insane amount of stupidity and pitchfork led e-mobs.
All I'm going to say is, be careful what you wish for.....LSU is not immune to what has happened to Florida, Tennessee, Texas, USC....Even Ohio St before Meyer was hired.
Everyone here wants Saban type results and that's it. There's really no other coach that will give you that other than him.
So continue with your Saban obsessions and comparisons, it's never going to happen here that way because he's a once in a generation coach.
So again, be careful what you wish for...
All I'm going to say is, be careful what you wish for.....LSU is not immune to what has happened to Florida, Tennessee, Texas, USC....Even Ohio St before Meyer was hired.
Everyone here wants Saban type results and that's it. There's really no other coach that will give you that other than him.
So continue with your Saban obsessions and comparisons, it's never going to happen here that way because he's a once in a generation coach.
So again, be careful what you wish for...
Posted on 11/19/14 at 7:06 pm to SammyTiger
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Notre Dame isn't a good job.
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They have the name brand where a great amazing coach could do great amazing things
interesting.
Posted on 11/19/14 at 7:15 pm to nm1230
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interesting.
I want you to know when i say Amazing, i mean Nick Saban, Pete Carroll(post Super Bowl win) , and maybe Urban Meyer.
If two of those three wanted to come to LSU i would drop Les in a heartbeat
If Urban wanted to come to LSU I would think about it, and then probably drop Les if he promised to take his rolaids.
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