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re: Lunch with O thread

Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:15 pm to
Posted by BeeFense5
Kenner
Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:15 pm to
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The fact that Gage was getting on the field at all was significant


I'm glad to see him getting a shot but I guess I don't see how a back up receiver getting snaps is the equivalent of reinventing the wheel to some people.
Posted by TigerAlum93
Member since Sep 2010
3112 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:16 pm to
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What sparked this question? I didn't see any major changes in personnel Saturday.


Mainly at WR. It is a well known fact that the previous regime favored two guys.
Posted by LSUDAN1
Member since Oct 2010
10208 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:17 pm to
quote:

BREAKING:

Mascona is a bitch



That's not breaking news. He has always been a bitch.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
85101 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:18 pm to
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I don't see how a back up receiver getting snaps is the equivalent of reinventing the wheel to some people.


....I haven't seen anyone suggesting this

just acknowledging the obvious, that perhaps the assistant coaches wanted to see a few other players get some time

Posted by im4LSU
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:19 pm to
Hanny with the spot on Miles impression
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
89684 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:19 pm to
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No. I just felt like telling you to shut the frick up.


Mom, is that you?
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
89684 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:22 pm to
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Mainly at WR. It is a well known fact that the previous regime favored two guys.


I guess. I'm going through the passing plays now and 9 of the first 15 were 3 or 4 wide. Getting that many players on the field at that position is going to lead to more PT for guys like Ferguson and Gage.
Posted by Jwho77
cyperspace
Member since Sep 2003
80550 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:25 pm to
The personnel changes came with the varied packages. Many skill players were used in four-wides, the I-form and ace (balanced 2TE, 2 WR, 1 RB) formation.

Using a lot of TEs, WRs and RBs now prevents the defense from knowing what play is coming or what player is the primary target on pass plays based solely on specific personnel groupings.
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
85101 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:25 pm to
Even with more 3 or 4 wide sets, Gage getting 40% of the snaps was unexpected and something everyone noticed, thus the question.

I have no idea why you are arguing this

Nobody is shocked about Ferguson being the #4 WR coming. People are shocked at Gage being the #3 WR coming in on a lot of snaps.

Before this game, if we went 3 wide, it was always Dupre, Dural and Chark.

Hell we even saw Gage as the #1 WR on several formations in 1 WR sets.
Posted by Nature Boy
Negatiger
Member since Jan 2008
19039 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:28 pm to
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why does sconas questions always suck?


He needs to stay in the Admin's good graces so he can get a shot at a gig with LSU network one day. Look at the niche Gordy has carved out for himself. That's gotta be a goal...
Posted by LuckyTiger
Someone's Alter
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:30 pm to
Haha

Cheers
Posted by cwain8845
Somewhere Yonder
Member since Sep 2013
248 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:31 pm to
quote:


He needs to stay in the Admin's good graces so he can get a shot at a gig with LSU network one day. Look at the niche Gordy has carved out for himself. That's gotta be a goal...


Dont think that will happen with scona. Gordy at least had an in bc he played football. Scona is strictly radio and i dont think they would ever give him a head job like hanni does with the post games for football and baseball.

Scona will prolly have to go a different route and stay with ESPN for something better.
Posted by Jon1798
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
730 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:32 pm to
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What sparked this question? I didn't see any major changes in personnel Saturday.


Because that's exactly what happened. O allowed the position coaches to make the decisions on personnel, aka, who should play and who needed a rest. Because of this, you saw a much better flow to the offense changing people in and out. In the past, Miles and Cameron would call a play, and then say who they wanted in at the skilled positions. It created mayhem of people running on and off.

This was the case not just with Gage, but with every WR that stepped on the field, TE and RB's. It's why you saw much more of a RB rotation between Guice and Williams, as opposed to Guice sitting on the bench an entire game watching Fournette play.

I'm amazed at the amount of LSU fans that watch every single LSU snap and don't pick up on the smaller things of football. So many fans that don't understand just how middle school our offense was prior. The fact we would run in a RB to play fullback on a fullback dive, we would have a WR cover the TE on a running play, of course the famous toss left to start games, options to the short side of the field, the acknowledgement that we would purposely avoid throwing to the middle of the field because it was "dangerous". An offense that didn't have a four WR set, much less 5? Maddening.
Posted by D500MAG
Oklahoma
Member since Oct 2010
3829 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 1:36 pm to
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Do you care to point out the major changes in personnel Saturday?


This question came from Ensminger saying he left the personnel decisions up to the position coaches, that it was their job and he trusted them to do it.

This post was edited on 10/3/16 at 6:19 pm
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
89684 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 2:13 pm to
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The terms positiger and negatiger were thrown around a lot in the past, you are just a negative twat.





quote:

This question came from Ensminger saying he left the personnel decisions up to the position coaches, that it was their job and he trusted them to do it.


Didn't hear this, thanks for sharing!

All I asked was the background for the question. I expected there had to be something more than a different WR3 getting playing time, but if Ensminger said that then I understand the source of the question.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 4:41 pm to
quote:

I'm glad to see him getting a shot but I guess I don't see how a back up receiver getting snaps is the equivalent of reinventing the wheel to some people.


Boy. Beefense is going to be the KING of "I couldn't connect dots if my life depended upon it" these next several weeks.
Posted by WackyChris
Da Parish, Louisiana
Member since Mar 2013
2866 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 4:47 pm to
quote:

major changes in personnel Saturday.


the fact that Jazz Furgeson and Russell Gage played didn't seem striking to you!?
Posted by SEC Supreme
Virginia Beach
Member since Jan 2007
429 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 5:06 pm to
The personel question came up he talks about delegating. Position coaches has significant input or maybe even control as to which players are on the field
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
89684 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 5:10 pm to
quote:

the fact that Jazz Furgeson and Russell Gage played didn't seem striking to you!?


They came in as 3rd and 4th WRs. I wasn't able to hear the radio show so I didn't know what the context of the question was. It seemed to imply there were some major moves, of which I don't consider the 3rd and 4th WR to be a major shake up, so that is why I was asking.
Posted by Poodlebrain
Way Right of Rex
Member since Jan 2004
19860 posts
Posted on 10/3/16 at 5:19 pm to
The difference in getting the plays called and players ready for the snap was very obvious to even a casual observer. There was time for Etling to look over the field and actually make audibles without worrying about delay of game penalties. My one caution about having specific personnel packages for certain plays is that opponents will not take long to figure out what is going on. So LSU needs to keep making changes in personnel packages that are not clues to play calls.
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