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re: LSU's 1969 team was among its best ever, but it got 'screwed' out of a national title game
Posted on 1/7/20 at 9:26 am to I-59 Tiger
Posted on 1/7/20 at 9:26 am to I-59 Tiger
Good info I-59 Tiger. Can only imagine the disappointment the team was feeling BUT Coach Mac shouldn't have allowed a team vote to decide on a bowl... Imagine Coach Mac knew the vote outcome before it happened and he too acted rashly.
Geaux Tigers.
Geaux Tigers.
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Posted on 1/7/20 at 9:31 am to AlxTgr
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Terrible reason.
There is no such thing as a bad reason for hating Notre Dame.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 9:31 am to AlxTgr
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quote:Dad still hates Notre dame Terrible reason.
There's no such thing as a bad reason to hate ND
Posted on 1/7/20 at 9:31 am to blackjackjackson
I was in graduate school that season - the win against Auburn was one of the greatest games I ever attended. The Cotton Bowl withdrawing their invitation left a bitter taste among the Tiger Nation for many years. We had been to the inaugural Peach Bowl the year before (defeating FSU). The Peach Bowl extended an invitation, but the team being extremely bitter at the whole situation, turned it down.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 9:41 am to billfish21
another oddity that impacted that LSU team was not having won a share of the SEC Title. LSU was 9-1 and SEC Champion Tennessee was 9-1. Both team's lone loss was to Ole Miss -- in Jackson (for that matter then unbeaten Georgia lost 25-17 to Ole Miss at Mississippi Memorial a few weeks before the LSU-Ole Miss game).
LSU lost late to Ole Miss, 26-23. Ole Miss stomped Tennessee, 38-0. (This game had an incredible build up which is good offseason stuff that can be regaled at an appropriate time.)
But the SEC did not have uniform schedules. Some teams would play as many as 7 or 8 SEC games. Some teams only played 5 or even 4 as LSU had played in the prior year, 1968.Throughout the 1960s -- and a stray year or two in the 50s -- the SEC had "designated conference games" so each team would have six conference games. TCU and Tulane counted as conference games in 1968.
However that practice ended in 1969. Tennessee went 5-1 in the SEC, LSU went 4-1 in the SEC. In 1961 Alabama and LSU went unbeaten in SEC play and were co-champs since the winning percentage was the same. Alabama was 7-0 in SEC play and LSU was 6-0, but they were both 1.000 in SEC play. In 1969 Tennessee was .833 in SEC play and LSU was .800. Therefor Tennessee was SEC champion.
LSU lost late to Ole Miss, 26-23. Ole Miss stomped Tennessee, 38-0. (This game had an incredible build up which is good offseason stuff that can be regaled at an appropriate time.)
But the SEC did not have uniform schedules. Some teams would play as many as 7 or 8 SEC games. Some teams only played 5 or even 4 as LSU had played in the prior year, 1968.Throughout the 1960s -- and a stray year or two in the 50s -- the SEC had "designated conference games" so each team would have six conference games. TCU and Tulane counted as conference games in 1968.
However that practice ended in 1969. Tennessee went 5-1 in the SEC, LSU went 4-1 in the SEC. In 1961 Alabama and LSU went unbeaten in SEC play and were co-champs since the winning percentage was the same. Alabama was 7-0 in SEC play and LSU was 6-0, but they were both 1.000 in SEC play. In 1969 Tennessee was .833 in SEC play and LSU was .800. Therefor Tennessee was SEC champion.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 9:43 am to GeauxtigersMs36
My dad was a linebacker on that team as well and still to this day hates everything Notre Dame..
I looked at that plaque with the screw on it for years growing up.. it still means a lot to him where he displays it in the house.
I looked at that plaque with the screw on it for years growing up.. it still means a lot to him where he displays it in the house.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 9:44 am to blackjackjackson
The 1969 AP Poll - FINAL POLL - oops. This is the final poll post bowl results.
Texas (11–0) (36)
Penn State (11–0) (7)
USC (10–0–1)
Ohio State (8–1) (2)
Notre Dame (8–2–1)
Missouri (9–2)
Arkansas (9–2)
Ole Miss (8–3)
Michigan (8–3)
LSU (9–1)
Nebraska (9–2)
Houston (9–2)
UCLA (8–1–1)
Florida (9–1–1)
Tennessee (9–2)
Colorado (8–3)
West Virginia (10–1)
Purdue (8–2)
Stanford (7–2–1)
Our LSU Tigers were very unlucky... Unlucky to have lost to Ole Miss... Unlucky to have Notre Dame end their self-imposed bowl ban. It would have been great if bowls actually coordinated their invites but the bowl system of 'every man for himself' was precedent for a very long time.
Geaux Tigers.
Texas (11–0) (36)
Penn State (11–0) (7)
USC (10–0–1)
Ohio State (8–1) (2)
Notre Dame (8–2–1)
Missouri (9–2)
Arkansas (9–2)
Ole Miss (8–3)
Michigan (8–3)
LSU (9–1)
Nebraska (9–2)
Houston (9–2)
UCLA (8–1–1)
Florida (9–1–1)
Tennessee (9–2)
Colorado (8–3)
West Virginia (10–1)
Purdue (8–2)
Stanford (7–2–1)
Our LSU Tigers were very unlucky... Unlucky to have lost to Ole Miss... Unlucky to have Notre Dame end their self-imposed bowl ban. It would have been great if bowls actually coordinated their invites but the bowl system of 'every man for himself' was precedent for a very long time.
Geaux Tigers.
This post was edited on 1/7/20 at 9:57 am
Posted on 1/7/20 at 9:49 am to blackjackjackson
How did an 8-1-1 Notre Dame team go and not a 9-1 LSU team? I get why Texas played in it, but I agree LSU got the short end of that stick.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 9:55 am to billfish21
The 11 post season bowls in 1969 and their results...
Cotton Bowl - Texas (1) 21 Notre Dame (9) 17 Dallas, TX
Orange Bowl - Penn State (2) 10 Missouri (6) 3 Miami, FL
Rose Bowl - Southern California (5) 10 Michigan (7) 3 - Pasadena, CA
Sugar Bowl - Mississippi (13) 27Arkansas (3) 22 - New Orleans, LA
Bluebonnet Bowl - Houston (17) 36 Auburn (12) 7 - Houston, TX
Peach Bowl - West Virginia (19) 14 South Carolina 3 - Atlanta, GA
Gator Bowl - Florida (15) 14 Tennessee (11) 13 - Jacksonville, FL
Tangerine Bowl - Toledo (20) 56 Davidson 33 - Orlando, FL
Sun Bowl - Nebraska (14) 45 Georgia 6 - El Paso, TX
Liberty Bowl - Colorado 47 Alabama 33 - Memphis, TN
Pasadena Bowl - San Diego State 28 Boston University 7 - Pasadena, CA
Cotton Bowl - Texas (1) 21 Notre Dame (9) 17 Dallas, TX
Orange Bowl - Penn State (2) 10 Missouri (6) 3 Miami, FL
Rose Bowl - Southern California (5) 10 Michigan (7) 3 - Pasadena, CA
Sugar Bowl - Mississippi (13) 27Arkansas (3) 22 - New Orleans, LA
Bluebonnet Bowl - Houston (17) 36 Auburn (12) 7 - Houston, TX
Peach Bowl - West Virginia (19) 14 South Carolina 3 - Atlanta, GA
Gator Bowl - Florida (15) 14 Tennessee (11) 13 - Jacksonville, FL
Tangerine Bowl - Toledo (20) 56 Davidson 33 - Orlando, FL
Sun Bowl - Nebraska (14) 45 Georgia 6 - El Paso, TX
Liberty Bowl - Colorado 47 Alabama 33 - Memphis, TN
Pasadena Bowl - San Diego State 28 Boston University 7 - Pasadena, CA
Posted on 1/7/20 at 10:28 am to BayouBengals18
He can only respond between sunset and sunrise, so don’t expect an answer soon ....
Posted on 1/7/20 at 10:59 am to blackjackjackson
Mr. Robert Ryder is a good fella.
Dated his daughter while I worked at LSU.
The whole family are good people.
Dated his daughter while I worked at LSU.
The whole family are good people.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 12:50 pm to billfish21
That final poll sums up the screw job. LSU was #8 in the final regular season poll and Notre Dame was 9th. Notre Dame loses to Texas, yet climbed to 5th and LSU dropped to 10th. Ohio St boycotts its bowl due to a snit with the Rose Bowl, and they still get first place votes for dodging USC.
LSU ranked 9th in scoring (34.9 PP) and 2nd in scoring defense (9.1 PPG). LSU's only loss was on the road to an Ole Miss team with a generationally great QB. Ole Miss won the Sugar Bowl over #3 Arkansas, Texas' best win. LSU absolutely could have won the Cotton, and had they won, they likely would have been voted a share of the national title as no one really respected Penn St's schedule back then. Their best non-bowl win was over West Virginia.
LSU wasn't in the top 5 solely because they didn't start the season ranked. Poll inertia was a real thing.
LSU ranked 9th in scoring (34.9 PP) and 2nd in scoring defense (9.1 PPG). LSU's only loss was on the road to an Ole Miss team with a generationally great QB. Ole Miss won the Sugar Bowl over #3 Arkansas, Texas' best win. LSU absolutely could have won the Cotton, and had they won, they likely would have been voted a share of the national title as no one really respected Penn St's schedule back then. Their best non-bowl win was over West Virginia.
LSU wasn't in the top 5 solely because they didn't start the season ranked. Poll inertia was a real thing.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 12:57 pm to Baloo
Fact is that LSU could have went to a bowl and refused. That's what hurt the ranking.
Posted on 1/7/20 at 1:50 pm to AlxTgr
still dislike ND!
Posted on 1/7/20 at 1:58 pm to bruce2129
61-17
Posted on 1/9/20 at 8:38 am to EasterEgg
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First off, they were not undefeated; they were 13-1.
they were undefeated in sec play. wanna take a guess how many times lsu has done that?
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Can you name all 16 years without the help of Google?
I can name every year lsu had an undefeated conference record.since 1950 we have 5 undefeated sec titles.
This post was edited on 1/9/20 at 8:43 am
Posted on 1/9/20 at 8:52 am to blackjackjackson
1969 Cotton Bowl was one of the best screw ever>
LSU was already told they were going to be invited.
One person on the Cotton Bowl committee got Notre Dame to play in a Bowl for the first time since the 1924 Rose Bowl.
The committee votes Notre Dame in over LSU after having told LSU they would be invited.
LSU was already told they were going to be invited.
One person on the Cotton Bowl committee got Notre Dame to play in a Bowl for the first time since the 1924 Rose Bowl.
The committee votes Notre Dame in over LSU after having told LSU they would be invited.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 9:13 am to blackjackjackson
@Rice that year was my first LSU game. I was not a fan then.
Posted on 1/9/20 at 9:43 am to Baloo
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Ohio St boycotts its bowl due to a snit with the Rose Bowl
Ohio State had the better overall record, but Michigan was the Big 10 champ due to a head to head win. Regardless, back then, at least in the Big 10, you couldn't do back to back appearances in the Rose Bowl and Ohio State went the previous year.
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