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re: LSU view vs National view on Athletics

Posted on 12/28/10 at 1:21 pm to
Posted by Stromile Swift
Houston
Member since Sep 2003
43195 posts
Posted on 12/28/10 at 1:21 pm to
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Yes. Footbal & Baseball have to pay for the inept basketball program currently in place at LSU.


Nothing could be farther from the truth. Basketball brings in more money than baseball, regardless of the product being put on the field.
Posted by CigarLovingTiger
Buford, GA
Member since Sep 2010
2987 posts
Posted on 12/28/10 at 1:23 pm to
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Basketball brings in more money than baseball



At most other schools I agree with this statement, but I would be willing to say (and I don't have the figures) that LSU's baseball program brings in as much as the basketball program.
Posted by zbra24
Haughton
Member since Sep 2008
481 posts
Posted on 12/28/10 at 1:35 pm to
Your logic on naming players that came through the system in baseball doesnt work.

How many players are on a NCAA basketball team roster VS number of players on a NCAA baseball roster. Plus, baseball isnt the NFL where everygame has a starting lineup intro with each player repp'en his alma mater. Now, take into account that 98% of all your MLB players spend 1 to several years in the minors and it is easy for the general public/fan to forget about a notable player.

Tell me where James Beckham or Buster Posey went to school?
Posted by CigarLovingTiger
Buford, GA
Member since Sep 2010
2987 posts
Posted on 12/28/10 at 1:37 pm to
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Buster Posey



FSU


quote:

James Beckham


Or do you mean Gordon Beckham in that case UGA.
Posted by Opelousas Loosas
Member since Dec 2010
24 posts
Posted on 12/28/10 at 1:43 pm to
If you look at each LSU sport's national ranking we are higher across the board than any school in the Big 12.
Posted by Indiana Tiger
Member since Feb 2005
4114 posts
Posted on 12/28/10 at 2:06 pm to
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At most other schools I agree with this statement, but I would be willing to say (and I don't have the figures) that LSU's baseball program brings in as much as the basketball program.

I can't imagine that it's even close. Basketball >> Basebase. The reason is that practically all revenue from baseball is locally generated; there is very little money that comes in via TV and conference revenue sharing. Basketball gets big bucks (millions) from both these sources.
Posted by ottothewise
Member since Sep 2008
32094 posts
Posted on 12/28/10 at 2:10 pm to
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It's not much of a surprise that Stanford has won 14 in a row and they have the largest athletic endowment of any school in the nation...


women's sports count too.

country club sports count too.
Stanford wins/competes in golf, tennis, which no one cares about at LSU.


North Carolina won it last year, first time Stanford did not win

Stanford was #2.



This post was edited on 12/28/10 at 2:11 pm
Posted by CigarLovingTiger
Buford, GA
Member since Sep 2010
2987 posts
Posted on 12/28/10 at 2:13 pm to
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there is very little money that comes in via TV



Ummm did you miss the huge arse contract ESPN signed with the SEC? They show a shite load of baseball games now. Plus there are more LSU baseball games on TV then basketball games.
Posted by Stromile Swift
Houston
Member since Sep 2003
43195 posts
Posted on 12/28/10 at 2:30 pm to
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At most other schools I agree with this statement, but I would be willing to say (and I don't have the figures) that LSU's baseball program brings in as much as the basketball program.


I discussed this exact issue with Verge last year before an LSU basketball game. LSU basketball generates significantly more than LSU baseball. Baseball typically breaks even and may even bring in a few dollars which is remarkable compared to other schools.
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
71218 posts
Posted on 12/28/10 at 2:34 pm to
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Tell me where James Beckham or Buster Posey went to school?

georgia and florida state. bad example IMO

oh, and i think you mean gordon beckham
This post was edited on 12/28/10 at 2:36 pm
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
175649 posts
Posted on 12/28/10 at 2:39 pm to
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LSU view vs National view on Athletics

LSU overrates baseball, underrates basketball... football fans are just as crazy as a lot of places.
Posted by Indiana Tiger
Member since Feb 2005
4114 posts
Posted on 12/28/10 at 2:39 pm to
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Ummm did you miss the huge arse contract ESPN signed with the SEC? They show a shite load of baseball games now. Plus there are more LSU baseball games on TV then basketball games.

They signed that huge arse contract primarily for football and secondarily for basketball. That minor sport shite is practically a loss leader for the other two.
Posted by gorillaballin
uptown nola y'heard
Member since Dec 2007
557 posts
Posted on 12/28/10 at 2:44 pm to
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Basketball brings in more money than baseball


We went over the sports contracts in Karam's Sports Marketing class when I was still in undergrad. Although it was like 3-4 years ago, I'm about 95% positive that the only two revenue generating sports every year are football and men's basketball. All of the others operate around break even with many sports actually losing money and having to be carried by the success of those two profitable programs
Posted by Stromile Swift
Houston
Member since Sep 2003
43195 posts
Posted on 12/28/10 at 3:11 pm to
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We went over the sports contracts in Karam's Sports Marketing class when I was still in undergrad. Although it was like 3-4 years ago, I'm about 95% positive that the only two revenue generating sports every year are football and men's basketball. All of the others operate around break even with many sports actually losing money and having to be carried by the success of those two profitable programs


This is correct. Outside of the major three sports, all of the other sports are a drain on the athletic budget.
Posted by heartbreakTiger
grinding for my grinders
Member since Jan 2008
138974 posts
Posted on 12/28/10 at 3:16 pm to
i have issue with the directors cup because stanford has every single sport that is on it and we dont.

if they want a true measure of a schools athletics you expand it to every sport but take say only the top 14 or so for each school. of course these sports also need to be weighted so that winning in football isn't the same as water polo and what not
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
69484 posts
Posted on 12/28/10 at 3:50 pm to
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i have issue with the directors cup because stanford has every single sport that is on it and we dont.


+1

Stanford dominates waterpolo and volleyball i believe
Posted by MetryTyger
Metro NOLA, LA
Member since Jan 2004
15659 posts
Posted on 12/28/10 at 4:14 pm to
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saintsfan92612
LSU view vs National view on Athletics
More like:

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In college athletics, the hierarchy of sports goes:
Football
Men's Basketball
Hockey/Lacrosse/Soccer/Volleyball/Baseball/Gymnastics/Track/etc


Gotta respectively disagree on that. College Baseball has become very popular in the last 20 years, and has exploded in the last 10 due to media coverage and because of the emergence of several key coaches and programs (yes, including Skip Bertman.)
Everyone remembers Warren Morris' 1996 CWS homerun, but who remembers lacrosse, hockey, soccer, and volleyball?
Posted by Stromile Swift
Houston
Member since Sep 2003
43195 posts
Posted on 12/28/10 at 5:21 pm to
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Gotta respectively disagree on that. College Baseball has become very popular in the last 20 years, and has exploded in the last 10 due to media coverage and because of the emergence of several key coaches and programs (yes, including Skip Bertman.)


I have to respectfully disagree with your assessment. Outside of football and basketball, college sports are very regional in nature. Someone located in Big 10 country would more than likely be inclined to rehash a men's hockey national title game than a CWS championship game. Last April, the Frozen four double-header drew over 34,000 fans. In the Northeast, they would likely know more about lacrosse than college baseball. The West fields great baseball teams but the following is sparse at best. Outside of the south, college baseball doesn't have a signficant following.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 12/28/10 at 5:56 pm to
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In college athletics, the hierarchy of sports goes:
Football
Men's Basketball
Baseball


At most schools college baseball ranks behind lacrosse, women's basketball, etc. A surprising number of teams that make the baseball NCAA playoffs have averge home attendance in three digits.
Posted by Chazz Reinhold
Vegas
Member since Jun 2007
4486 posts
Posted on 12/28/10 at 6:08 pm to
Revenue has nothing to do with fans interest. Look at the PMAC and then go to Alex Box. Tell me who has more fans. I've been to Omaha and the Final Four. LSU brought much more to Omaha. Therefore IMO it doesn't matter how good basketball is, the people of Baton Rouge just don't care a whole lot. Sure they get excited in March if LSU is still playing but up until then, most LSU fans don't care much.

Hell they barely followed football for 7-8 years in the 90s.
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