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re: LSU returned 2 linemen with multiple starts and just 3 with any starts- All three got hurt
Posted on 11/7/18 at 1:49 pm to Lester Earl
Posted on 11/7/18 at 1:49 pm to Lester Earl
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It’s just weird to me that you guys want credit for predicting our record correctly(cool, fair enough), meaning meeting your expectations & in some cases exceeding expectations,
You are confusing predictions with expectations. I predicted 8-4 or 9-3 at the beginning of the season. Those were not my expectations, those were my predictions. If we win out and win the bowl game, I will give Orgeron credit where it's due, and I think that would objectively be a successful season. If we lose to A&M, that doesn't mean Orgeron met my expectations, it means he met my prediction.
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Posted on 11/7/18 at 1:53 pm to bencoleman
quote:
I can honestly say that I can't imagine saying the above to someone.
Yet you're perfectly fine with saying you hope all the people with a different opinion than yours, the people you call "haters", can die from sucking an aids infested dick.
Amazing.
What a hypocrite.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 1:55 pm to earl keese
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Yet you're perfectly fine with saying you hope all the people with a different opinion than yours, the people you call "haters", can die from sucking an aids infested dick.
Amazing. What a hypocrite
Earl. I said that I was joking when I said that and you know that. There is no way to conflate the two. You trying to defend it says a lot about you.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 1:59 pm to UpToPar
The expectations vs prediction stuff is a cop out. Your predictions should be based off your expectations. Not going down that rabbit hole though. Whatever helps you sleep at night buddy
Posted on 11/7/18 at 2:00 pm to davidlsu
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What's your excuse for that one?
Give him time. He'll be right back with your answer after he gets back on Google. I remember many on this board bestowing great predictions for LSU's lines for their talent and depth prior to the season. JB was the 2nd coming and SE was God's gift to OC's, handpicked by the great O. Anybody that dared question this was immediately labeled moronic, delusional negatigers, nonfans, ...... Now we're back to Next Year U excuses. Kinda pathetic. It's been a good season, but that shooting star 104th offensive rating wasn't achieved in a couple of games, and all blame cannot be put on the OL. Scheming, playcalling, inability to adjust, long developing pass plays, dropped passes, no consistent running attack, and poor line performance have all contributed.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 2:01 pm to Tiger Ree
Rome won’t be built next year nor the following year with just one defensive tackle commitment for LSU in 2019.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 2:04 pm to UpToPar
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But, if you must know, when Miles was fired LSU's OL depth looked like this:
OT: Malone, Teuhema, Weathersby, Savage, Okeke, Allen
OG: Campbell, Magee, Butte, Brumfield, Cushenberry
C: Pocic, Clapp, Dodd
That's plenty of talent to work with.
And we know Teuhema played G in 15’, and had to be moved out of position to RT the next year. & eventually met his demise with the program.
We know Weathersby , Malone & Boutte were not good enough to be drafted.
We know Savage & Campbell are still not good enough to get on the field, despite going 10 deep,
We know Pocic, who played C here was immediately turned into a Guard once he got into the nfl.
So no, not really. It wasn’t good enough. The talent wasn’t there & your best lineman were playing out of position.
My point the whole time was about rebuilding the line during coach O tenure. There wasn’t much here to work with. And it was just a microcosm of Miles’ OL evaluations as a whole during his time here. It wasn’t always bad but in the end proved to be flawed,
Posted on 11/7/18 at 2:05 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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That said, I'm not going to patronize you and treat you or your ideas differently because of that. I assume that despite your illness you're here because you enjoy it,and since you give it out as well as anyone here, I'd assume you would not want or expect anyone to treat you with kid gloves, correct
No I wouldn't want anyone to treat me differently. That being said there's a certain decorum that most people would follow and decency would dictate that you not point out that "we're all going to be posting and you won't"
If you're going to play that game you'd better hope you don't get Karma's attention.
I appreciate your position on things, I do enjoy being here. It gets my mind off of things.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 2:07 pm to Lester Earl
Changing position in the NFL doesn’t mean you are capable of playing the position in college.
Usually you are much better off putting your best 5 OL out there than sitting one of them to play aguy who fits the mold for center
Usually you are much better off putting your best 5 OL out there than sitting one of them to play aguy who fits the mold for center
Posted on 11/7/18 at 2:07 pm to 3rdPart Tiger
To be fair , player execution was shitey.
Lots of missed assignments.
Most of all Offensive Line didn’t open any holes
and Joe had no time to throw . Those linemen got tossed
around like rag dolls.
OC did make a few mistakes on adjusting but overall did a good job on calling
the game . Players are responsible to execute and they did an awful job at it .
Lots of missed assignments.
Most of all Offensive Line didn’t open any holes
and Joe had no time to throw . Those linemen got tossed
around like rag dolls.
OC did make a few mistakes on adjusting but overall did a good job on calling
the game . Players are responsible to execute and they did an awful job at it .
Posted on 11/7/18 at 2:13 pm to GodsOfFootball
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OC did make a few mistakes on adjusting but overall did a good job on calling
I'm not a big Xs and Os kind of guy but why would Steve continue to call play action when the defense had him hemmed up all night. O said that Joe got frustrated because the adjustments were slow in coming. I don't think that there were any adjustments. I don't think Steve had an answer within the parameters that he was working with.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 2:16 pm to GodsOfFootball
His play calls were standard
It don’t think pkaycalling was really keeping bama on their toes. They were reading ya like a bookZ
That PA in the red zone was a disaster. We did the screen completely like their scouting report told them we would.
We didn’t execute, but they also didn’t have to react much, just make plays.
It don’t think pkaycalling was really keeping bama on their toes. They were reading ya like a bookZ
That PA in the red zone was a disaster. We did the screen completely like their scouting report told them we would.
We didn’t execute, but they also didn’t have to react much, just make plays.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 2:18 pm to SammyTiger
NOt saying Pocic wasn’t a good player at C. But let’s face it, would have prob been best served playing G or RT. You have to do what you have to do though
Posted on 11/7/18 at 2:21 pm to Lester Earl
Yeah IDK why we played a 3* C at LT and a 4* Tackle at Center, but we did.
And Inhave konidea why we kept grimes around.
And Inhave konidea why we kept grimes around.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 2:30 pm to Lester Earl
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I’m trying to think which of his recruits has been draft eligible. Little help here, I’m on mobile
His recruits
Ok, Key and Isaiah Washington. And the mythical Valentine.
But he couldn’t be expected to do anything with highly recruited guys like Gilmore, Herron, Lac after coaching them for three years? Neal for two?
Hell even Deondre Clark was a highly rated guy who didn’t improve at all in three years under O and Pete.
How about Fehoko and Lawrence? Are those guys ready to be NFL successes after multiple years with him?
Remember, according to you in this very thread just being on an active NFL roster multiple seasons like Jerald Hawkins isn’t enough to be considered successful.
This post was edited on 11/7/18 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 11/7/18 at 2:35 pm to Lester Earl
1. I refuse to believe the OL is THIS bad.
Especially when Deculus and Hines (who are the 2 guys replacing the major injuries) have played better than the starters.
I think Hines has played better than a Brumsfield andnit was the coaches choice to go with experience.
I think There are lots of schools who have overcome much worse talent desrepancies on the OL, and we didn’t do anything to hit it.
UCF scores 34 on Auburn last year. They have 0 NFL OL and Auburn har one of the top Defenses in the country. UCF scores more than Alabama, Clemson and UGA (either game)
How are you going to pretend like some acheme can overcome talent desrepancies and some cannot.
Especially when Deculus and Hines (who are the 2 guys replacing the major injuries) have played better than the starters.
I think Hines has played better than a Brumsfield andnit was the coaches choice to go with experience.
I think There are lots of schools who have overcome much worse talent desrepancies on the OL, and we didn’t do anything to hit it.
UCF scores 34 on Auburn last year. They have 0 NFL OL and Auburn har one of the top Defenses in the country. UCF scores more than Alabama, Clemson and UGA (either game)
How are you going to pretend like some acheme can overcome talent desrepancies and some cannot.
This post was edited on 11/7/18 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 11/7/18 at 2:38 pm to bencoleman
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Earl, I said that I was joking when I said that and you know that.
Do I? You say that you were joking and you want people to believe you. I get that. Justice said he didn't mean what he said the way you took it.
He said that he meant it as when o's gone, some of you guys that bend over backwards to absolve o of any blame for things that go bad, will disappear into the night.
If what you said a few weeks back wasn't meant the way you said it, why can't the same thing be said for what justice said?
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You trying to defend it says a lot about you.
I'm not trying to defend a damn thing. All I'm saying is why the hell should you get the benefit of the doubt, yet no one else should.
What sounds worse. We will be here posting longer than you, or your comment about hoping some posters getting sick or dying from sucking an aids dick.
I know which one sounds worse to me. That's why I called you a hypocrite. You said you were joking, he said he didn't mean it the way you took it.
You want to be believed, you want to call him a liar. That doesn't make any sense to me.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 2:44 pm to Tiger Ree
You said o fixed the line with the juco.You said our recruiting class wss actually amazing because of them.
Posted on 11/7/18 at 2:46 pm to earl keese
Nothing to see here
This post was edited on 11/7/18 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 11/7/18 at 2:50 pm to GodsOfFootball
quote:Jesus Christ.
OC did make a few mistakes on adjusting but overall did a good job on calling
the game .
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