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re: LSU Mentioned in Real Sports Report on CFB Recruiting Violations
Posted on 3/30/11 at 9:05 pm to slackster
Posted on 3/30/11 at 9:05 pm to slackster
quote:
The average 2011/2012 Notre Dame undergraduate student expense budget includes:
Tuition and Fees
$41,420
Room & Board
11,390
Books and Supplies
950
Personal Expenses
1,000
Transportation
500
Total
$55,260
LINK
Sure, the kids that go to Notre Dame on scholarships are really getting the raw end of the deal!
So that adds up to 1,215,750 for the starting 22..
NBC alone pays roughly 9 times that amount per year to broadcast all of those shitty games.... SO if they don't sell one ticket.. Don't go to any bowl games.. and don't exchange 7 bucks for a hotdog.. They still come out millions ahead..
Obviously NBC thinks the players are worth more or they wouldn't invest in it.. Don't blame the stars for wising up to it as well.
Who is getting shafted?
Posted on 3/30/11 at 9:06 pm to tgerb8
quote:
Everyone makes money in CFB exept for those who generate it
This shite really gets to me. Exxon cranked out a $45.2 billion dollar profit, and no where did you see or hear Exxon employees or the media exclaiming that the those who made $55K a year at Exxon should be making even more.
If you go to Notre Dame, the university's Office of Financial Aid recommends you sock away $55,620 a year for school. To pay that bill in after-tax income, you would need to have a salary of around $70,000 and that is not counting any insurance premiums.
If you do not think paying a college athlete the real world equivalent of $70,000 a year to play college football is fair, then I am not sure we have much else to talk about.
Posted on 3/30/11 at 9:11 pm to tgerb8
quote:
So that adds up to 1,215,750 for the starting 22.
There are almost 4 times that many on scholarship. Even then, I know it is hardly 5% of the revenues generated from football, but it is asinine to argue that a college athlete on a full ride is getting the raw end of any deal, especially one who would not be at Notre Dame without football.
Look, the average mid-career salary for a Notre Dame graduate is $121,000. The average American salary is a hair above $40,000. I think that $81,000 premium for playing football is well worth it.
Posted on 3/30/11 at 9:18 pm to tgerb8
quote:And that always ends up being the crux of the argument: they are making money, so they must be evil/punished/wrong/etc. Who cares? The kids as players are getting a lot of value in exchange for playing a game, we as fans get to enjoy great entertainment, the networks and sponsors as businesses get to makes some money, and the schools as educational institutions get to defray some of the costs of their educational mission. What's the problem?
They still come out millions ahead
Posted on 3/30/11 at 9:33 pm to King Joey
Whitlock is a TOOL!!!!
I cant stand watching his fat arse
I cant stand watching his fat arse
Posted on 3/30/11 at 9:35 pm to slackster
Exxon employs 82,000 people to make that much of a NECESSITY..
Which ammounts to 550k generated per person..
I bet if you put them on tv 11 times a year for 3 hours and fed them that stat there would be plenty of complaining.
The notre dame football team "employs" what? let's say 150 people to make 46 million for entertainment (virtually)..
around 366k per person... and basically 70 percent of those kids will never see the field on gameday..
If you take the 40 (real) "earners" plus 3 coaches.. that's about 1.05 million per person.
Plus the exxon comparison doesn't really count. nowhere does it say you can't sell your shoes to someone willing to pay 3 grand if you want to work here again..
Which ammounts to 550k generated per person..
I bet if you put them on tv 11 times a year for 3 hours and fed them that stat there would be plenty of complaining.
The notre dame football team "employs" what? let's say 150 people to make 46 million for entertainment (virtually)..
around 366k per person... and basically 70 percent of those kids will never see the field on gameday..
If you take the 40 (real) "earners" plus 3 coaches.. that's about 1.05 million per person.
Plus the exxon comparison doesn't really count. nowhere does it say you can't sell your shoes to someone willing to pay 3 grand if you want to work here again..
Posted on 3/30/11 at 9:38 pm to tgerb8
quote:
makes money in CFB exept for those who generate it.
The athletes will be just fine
Posted on 3/30/11 at 9:46 pm to tgerb8
quote:
Plus the exxon comparison doesn't really count. nowhere does it say you can't sell your shoes to someone willing to pay 3 grand if you want to work here again..
I am against paying athletes. I am fine if a player wants to sell their memorabilia, but there needs to be some sort of agreed upon value so a top-player is capped out at say $5,000 for their helmet. If there is not a cap, some booster may go out there and offer insane amounts of money to just launder it back to the player.
Posted on 3/30/11 at 9:50 pm to slackster
quote:
Look, the average mid-career salary for a Notre Dame graduate is $121,000. The average American salary is a hair above $40,000. I think that $81,000 premium for playing football is well worth it.
That's a good point and I'm really not trying to argue with you.. but obviously these aren't average Americans or they wouldn't br on s football.scholarship.. at any company the CEO knows his vp is worth more than his call center worker so he's compensated appropriately.. notre dame knows their starting qb is worth a lot more than the 3rd stringpunter.. but they are paid the same amount.. fine.. whatever.. amateur sports.. its just the only "organization" where the standout players cannot be treated as such by whomever deems.fit.. Because the ncaa says so.. that's the only problem I have with it..
This post was edited on 3/30/11 at 9:59 pm
Posted on 3/30/11 at 9:54 pm to slackster
quote:
Exxon cranked out a $45.2 billion dollar profit, and no where did you see or hear Exxon employees or the media exclaiming that the those who made $55K a year at Exxon should be making even more.
I know plenty of people employed by Exxon that make at least twice that and they ask for more every year
Posted on 3/30/11 at 9:55 pm to SPEEDY
I think Whit just coughed up half a ham sammich mid-sentence
Posted on 3/30/11 at 10:06 pm to slackster
Agreed on some points..
Paying players to play.. or paying to recruit should be off limits..
If a player proves his worth and can find a reasonable way to market his skills then they should be able to.
Paying players to play.. or paying to recruit should be off limits..
If a player proves his worth and can find a reasonable way to market his skills then they should be able to.
Posted on 3/30/11 at 10:10 pm to tgerb8
Do you think all college athletes should be paid or just football players?
Posted on 3/30/11 at 10:19 pm to Rocket
Like I said.. anyone who can market their skills in a legitimate fashion..
The whole thing just seems so hypocritical.. it would be like the film actors guild or whatever saying.. tom cruise.. you are to be paid 500 thousand dollars a year.. we don't care if your next shitty movie nets 20 billion dollars.. you can't go on talk shows. You can't sponsor peta.. you can't sell your risky business underwear on eBay.. we pay you this and that is what you make..
If they want to call it amateur sports then they need to go back to leather helmets in the mud.. call it what it is.. semi pro.. and let those who can profit.. profit..
The whole thing just seems so hypocritical.. it would be like the film actors guild or whatever saying.. tom cruise.. you are to be paid 500 thousand dollars a year.. we don't care if your next shitty movie nets 20 billion dollars.. you can't go on talk shows. You can't sponsor peta.. you can't sell your risky business underwear on eBay.. we pay you this and that is what you make..
If they want to call it amateur sports then they need to go back to leather helmets in the mud.. call it what it is.. semi pro.. and let those who can profit.. profit..
Posted on 3/30/11 at 10:21 pm to Rocket
quote:
o you think all college athletes should be paid or just football players?
unfortunately the laws of a free market economy apply to college athletics but not within it (if that makes any sense)
realistically, today's modern politics wouldnt allow only some athletes to be paid. I think there is a happy medium to where every student athlete could get a stipend but scalable based on what sport you pay/revenue said sport generates
the biggest problem in that is that the NCAA would likely interject some ridiculous rule that whatever each student gets monetarily would like have to be standard across all schools.
purely for an example, say football players get $25k per season, women's diving gets $10k. But the NCAA would likely mandate that USL, Cal, & Pitt players all get the same amount...then the infighting begins, and we're back to a bigger pile of donkey shite than before
Posted on 3/30/11 at 10:22 pm to tgerb8
Well, they are provided education and room and board which costs non-athletes thousands and thousands of dollars. You may not be satisfied with that deal but it's not like they get nothing out of it. There's a movement it seems out of some quarters of the black community to get players paid and it's not going too well.
Posted on 3/30/11 at 10:26 pm to Rocket
so did anyone watch this thing or are we done talking about it?
also, can some of you quit saying statue of limitations? there is no statue anywhere that yall are talking about.
also, can some of you quit saying statue of limitations? there is no statue anywhere that yall are talking about.
Posted on 3/30/11 at 10:36 pm to tgerb8
quote:But nobody makes those standout players put up with it. They are free to leave at any time and get a job like anyone else. This is all a CHOICE they are free to make or not. That's why I disagree with all the whining: if they you don't like it, then don't do it. Period.
its just the only "organization" where the standout players cannot be treated as such by whomever deems.fit.. Because the ncaa says so.. that's the only problem I have with it..
Posted on 3/31/11 at 12:19 am to TiGeRTeRRoR
Shoot. We should start secretly filming ourselves giving rival players money. We could bring the entire NCAA football program down. Of course act and dress like your a fan of the rival. This allegation is Ridiculous. They're all ridiculous. 
Posted on 3/31/11 at 1:49 am to tgerb8
quote:
Paying players to play.. or paying to recruit should be off limits..
If a player proves his worth and can find a reasonable way to market his skills then they should be able to.
I agree with all of this, but the latter would be so hard to police for the NCAA that I cannot imagine it will ever be allowed.
I mean PP7 could have spent all last summer doing guest appearance and being paid handsomely, but how can the NCAA say that every dollar he made was earned or if some of it may be laundered. How much is 1 hour of his presence at a corporate event worth? $5,000? What if a big LSU booster pays $100,000 for an hour of his time? I cannot see how the NCAA would ever allow that sort of compensation without some sort of cap on the payments.
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