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re: LSU Mentioned in Real Sports Report on CFB Recruiting Violations

Posted on 3/30/11 at 2:34 pm to
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
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Posted on 3/30/11 at 2:34 pm to
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Just curious, if you were in a position to give a player or players benefits, would you?
No.
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If not, (assuming you have no ties to the university) what would be your biggest reason not to?
It's against the rules.

Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
53819 posts
Posted on 3/30/11 at 2:34 pm to
Planchard must have got some serious jack when he signed with Saban
Posted by jrodLSUke
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25723 posts
Posted on 3/30/11 at 2:38 pm to
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Personally, I think athletes should be paid, the existing rules are ridiculous. That said, it should be above board.


Sure, that would be great. But who do you think is going to pay that bill? Paying players means more money out of the pockets of "Joe Hard Working LSU Fan".
Posted by LuzianaFootball
DC
Member since Dec 2008
8071 posts
Posted on 3/30/11 at 2:51 pm to
More football careers that didn't pan out. Like someone from another board said, you never hear this from the successful players. Just more failure stories looking for 15 mins of fame so they come talking out of their a$$.
Posted by Kreg Jennings
Parts Unknown
Member since Aug 2007
3905 posts
Posted on 3/30/11 at 3:08 pm to
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Paying players means more money out of the pockets of "Joe Hard Working LSU Fan".


This post was edited on 3/30/11 at 3:09 pm
Posted by monz29
Castle Pines, CO
Member since Dec 2006
920 posts
Posted on 3/30/11 at 3:08 pm to
Paying player would be a terrible thing. These kids are not professionals. In addition, could you imagine trying to regulate that! Maybe I should have gotten some money from playing high school sports, folks had to pay admission to see us compete and I did not get any of that money.

As far as these numbnut former AU players, I guess they could not get any limelight doing anything else, so why not start up some drama.
Posted by ScottieP
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2004
1933 posts
Posted on 3/30/11 at 3:33 pm to
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Yeah, because no media outlet ever fabricated, exaggerated or misrepresented a story for their own purposes (like, say, ratings!). Speaking of naive . . .



I give up you win.

Players don't take money, while we are at it neither do politicians, clergymen, or leaders of non profits. shite men don't cheat on their taxes or thier wives.

Hell how could they the NCAA, Congress, and the IRS says they don't.


By the way I have some ocean front property in Kansas. Want to buy it? I promise it has a great view.





Posted by LSU82BILL
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Member since Sep 2006
10849 posts
Posted on 3/30/11 at 4:12 pm to
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Yea,that would be a heckuva NCAA hearing. Designated faculty rep from a mid-major type college,"While Mr. McGlover was being recruited by Louisiana State, who was the chancellor of your university ?" LSU spokesman," Dr Mark Emmert, now the President of the NCAA


Yeah, well anybody that knows anything about Emmert's stance on compensating student-athlete's knows damn well that he would never condone the $500 handshake. LSU will never have to answer for the act of a booster that remains anonymous. Unless he can be identified and credibly linked to the program, the LSU implication is just a tall tale. It will be interesting to see if the guy who gave McGlover " a bag full of cash" to attend Auburn remains anonymous.
Posted by DaSaltyTiger
Alexandria/Pineville, LA area
Member since Dec 2004
4689 posts
Posted on 3/30/11 at 5:28 pm to
If the kid was 18 or older, could he have been sued for breach of contract .... oh yeah, there go those damned statue of limitations again.
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12723 posts
Posted on 3/30/11 at 6:31 pm to
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Players don't take money, while we are at it neither do politicians, clergymen, or leaders of non profits.
It is highly amusing that you list these things as if to suggest that I am naively unaware that these things do occur, and yet you scoff at the notion that a "news" story might not be a 100% accurate reflection of the truth. Do you really believe everything the media tells you?

I guess why not; you obviously believe everything that "everybody" tells you.
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shite men don't cheat on their taxes or thier wives.

Hell how could they the NCAA, Congress, and the IRS says they don't.
No, they don't. That's my point. The IRS clearly reports that people do cheat on their taxes, and we have actual data that people do cheat on their wives. But the fact that we know some people do it does not support the notion that everyone, or even most or a significantly high percentage, do it.

Btw, your argument would suggest that we have proof that you, personally, cheat on your taxes and your wife, since the fact that it is done by one person can serve as proof that someone else (or even "everybody else") is doing it.

Posted by Will2nd
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2009
4097 posts
Posted on 3/30/11 at 7:24 pm to
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Personally, I think athletes should be paid,


I don't think paying the athletes will do anything but allow them to get paid while they still continue take money and gifts illegally. Greed is never getting enough. I believe the scholarship including meals, accommodations, and access to the athletic apparel should be enough for 3-4 years.

The players should get a stipend maybe of $75-$100 per week, but those who take the money will still not turn down hundreds and thousands of dollars given to them by booster even if you gave them $1 million legally.
Posted by shinerfan
Duckworld(Earth-616)
Member since Sep 2009
28032 posts
Posted on 3/30/11 at 8:00 pm to
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Second of all, being paid would make them employees, opening a huge can of worms with labor laws. Equal opportunity requirements would mandate equal "hiring" opportunities for women among the footbal players. The ADA would mandate hiring accomodations for the handicapped



I'm with you man, the women and quadriplegics have fricking ruined pro football.
Posted by tgerb8
Huntsvegas
Member since Aug 2007
6570 posts
Posted on 3/30/11 at 8:20 pm to
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Personally, I think athletes should be paid, the existing rules are ridiculous. That said, it should be above board.


I completely agree.. but I think that paying to recruit should still be punishable.. Endorsements.. selling gear.. etc should be allowed.. if we are so enamored as to pay for someone's game worn socks or whatever (see terrelle pryor) then why the hell should it be illegal for them to sell it... Everyone makes money in CFB exept for those who generate it. And don't give me BS about a "free ride." F'n TOPS was a free ride too..
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91302 posts
Posted on 3/30/11 at 8:27 pm to
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Second of all, being paid would make them employees, opening a huge can of worms with labor laws. Equal opportunity requirements would mandate equal "hiring" opportunities for women among the footbal players. The ADA would mandate hiring accomodations for the handicapped



I'm with you man, the women and quadriplegics have fricking ruined pro football.


Idiot. The NFL is an EOE - the numbers are made up in the front office and such.

Anyways, he could have stopped at his first point, and that is Title IX would absolutely ruin any chance of paying athletes. I am also in agreement that the players are compensated fully for their efforts. You do not find a SINGLE football player who is struggling to make ends meet. His family, maybe, but not himself.

Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91302 posts
Posted on 3/30/11 at 8:30 pm to
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Everyone makes money in CFB exept for those who generate it. And don't give me BS about a "free ride." F'n TOPS was a free ride too..



Ludicrous. If you have the full TOPS, you still have to pay out of pocket to attend LSU and live on campus. You do not have any of the available tutoring either.

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Everyone makes money in CFB exept for those who generate it.


fricking myth.
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12723 posts
Posted on 3/30/11 at 8:41 pm to
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I'm with you man, the women and quadriplegics have fricking ruined pro football.
They are not government institutions, and they have special status under federal law. Besides, their employment is restricted to a specific activity not performable by or adaptable to many physically handicapped people; certainly that would be a difficult argument to make for the practice of paying students.

Maybe it could be won, but the issues are certainly not decided and are hardly ever contemplated (certainly not addressed) by the run of the mill, "we oughtta pay 'em 'cuz they're being exploited!" crowd.

If you'd like to offer an informed explanation of how each of those issues would not pose a problem or would be resolved in the event of paying football players, I would be most interested in reading it.

Posted by tgerb8
Huntsvegas
Member since Aug 2007
6570 posts
Posted on 3/30/11 at 8:42 pm to
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Everyone makes money in CFB exept for those who generate it


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fricking myth.


Bull..
The BCS.. The SEC network. The coach.. The f'n hot dog vendors.. The city. The school. The hotels..

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The Fighting Irish football program is worth $97 million based on what the team contributes to the university’s athletic department for non-football sports ($23.5 million), the University’s academic use ($23.2 million), and the incremental sales to South Bend, Ind., and the surrounding county when the team plays games at Notre Dame Stadium.


LINK

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A total of $34 million is up for grabs at the Tostitos BCS national championship game alone this year. Those proceeds will be divided up equally between the Big Ten (Ohio State) and SEC (Florida) conference schools, net of a small travel allowance for the two bowl combatants.


NO where does it say.. Tim Tebow gets ehh 30 grand for making this game such a draw and allowing us to generate 34 million dollars.
This post was edited on 3/30/11 at 8:44 pm
Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12723 posts
Posted on 3/30/11 at 8:45 pm to
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if we are so enamored as to pay for someone's game worn socks or whatever (see terrelle pryor) then why the hell should it be illegal for them to sell it...
It's not. And no one, not even the NCAA, has a rule prohibiting it (look it up). The only rule applied is that if you choose to do that, you can no longer participate in certain sports competitions reserved for what we consider "amateur" athletes.

I really wish people in general would learn to correctly use the word "illegal".

Posted by King Joey
Just south of the DC/US border
Member since Mar 2004
12723 posts
Posted on 3/30/11 at 8:48 pm to
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NO where does it say.. Tim Tebow gets ehh 30 grand for making this game such a draw and allowing us to generate 34 million dollars
30 grand? Tuition at UF, housing in Gainesville, board for an entire year, tutoring and academic support services, healthcare, books, athletic gear . . . do you really think that doesn't add up to at least $30k a year?

Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91302 posts
Posted on 3/30/11 at 8:53 pm to
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The Fighting Irish football program is worth $97 million based on what the team contributes to the university’s athletic department for non-football sports ($23.5 million), the University’s academic use ($23.2 million), and the incremental sales to South Bend, Ind., and the surrounding county when the team plays games at Notre Dame Stadium.





The average 2011/2012 Notre Dame undergraduate student expense budget includes:
Tuition and Fees

$41,420
Room & Board
11,390
Books and Supplies
950
Personal Expenses
1,000
Transportation
500
Total
$55,260

LINK


Sure, the kids that go to Notre Dame on scholarships are really getting the raw end of the deal!
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