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LSU is sadly headed down the same path as Tennessee
Posted on 10/1/17 at 10:44 am
Posted on 10/1/17 at 10:44 am
The similarities are scary, and I now believe that Orgeron = Dooley. I know Kiffin was there for the first year, but the point is that one clusterfrick begat another.
Tennessee got tired of winning 8-9 games every year and ditched Fulmer, and we did the same with Miles.
I loved Miles, but I realized the time had come for him to go. But the obvious issue is this: when you jettison a coach who won you a title and more games than anyone who had ever coached here, you goddamned better have a plan in place to replace him. I think we all know how that has turned out.
I hate the stupid "posi tiger, nega tiger" labels, but I would be classified as a posi tiger.I hate the knee-jerk reaction of irrational posters who live only in the moment and dont see the big picture. I was willing to give the O thing a chance. It all seemed like it could be good, maybe....
Instead, due to leadership ineptitude that may end up being the worst hire ever at LSU this side of Hallman, LSU is doomed for the foreseeable future...and again, I consider myself to be a poster who doesn't go to extremes, and even I see this.
There is no way around it and NO easy, inexpensive fix to this clusterfrick.
Think about it...9 years and 3 coaches later after they got rid of Fulmer, Tennessee just got trashed by 41 points on their home field...and I deeply fear that could happen here.
Les had to go, but I said it at the time....if you get rid of him you better have someone like a Jumbo Fisher LOCKED AND LOADED.
I hope in 3 years I am wrong about where I see this program headed.
Tennessee got tired of winning 8-9 games every year and ditched Fulmer, and we did the same with Miles.
I loved Miles, but I realized the time had come for him to go. But the obvious issue is this: when you jettison a coach who won you a title and more games than anyone who had ever coached here, you goddamned better have a plan in place to replace him. I think we all know how that has turned out.
I hate the stupid "posi tiger, nega tiger" labels, but I would be classified as a posi tiger.I hate the knee-jerk reaction of irrational posters who live only in the moment and dont see the big picture. I was willing to give the O thing a chance. It all seemed like it could be good, maybe....
Instead, due to leadership ineptitude that may end up being the worst hire ever at LSU this side of Hallman, LSU is doomed for the foreseeable future...and again, I consider myself to be a poster who doesn't go to extremes, and even I see this.
There is no way around it and NO easy, inexpensive fix to this clusterfrick.
Think about it...9 years and 3 coaches later after they got rid of Fulmer, Tennessee just got trashed by 41 points on their home field...and I deeply fear that could happen here.
Les had to go, but I said it at the time....if you get rid of him you better have someone like a Jumbo Fisher LOCKED AND LOADED.
I hope in 3 years I am wrong about where I see this program headed.
This post was edited on 10/1/17 at 10:49 am
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Posted on 10/1/17 at 10:47 am to LSUGrad9295
It's much easier to rebuild at LSU than UT however given the recruiting base. It just takes the right hire. O is not that hire.
Posted on 10/1/17 at 10:54 am to LesGeaux45
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It's much easier to rebuild at LSU than UT however given the recruiting base. It just takes the right hire. O is not that hire.
I agree. And it all boils down to "what is the right hire"?
Les publicly professes his love for LSU and I think it's geniune, but I have to believe that while he was laying in bed last night after the game trying to go to sleep, he had to be thinking "those stupid sons of bitches have really fricked this up"
Posted on 10/1/17 at 10:57 am to LSUGrad9295
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I hate the stupid "posi tiger, nega tiger" labels
These labels had clear application during the Miles Era but the application of these labels today is completely unclear and meaningless. The Nega and Posi Tiger labels should be discarded. They no longer have any clear meaning.
Posted on 10/1/17 at 10:58 am to LSUGrad9295
and LSU will do the same that UT did with Derek Dooley...wait too long, and the damage will take years to recover from
Posted on 10/1/17 at 10:59 am to LSUGrad9295
The kids don't want to hear this... but you are right.
And the "muh recruiting base"? So what. Players want to play for championships. They can and will go to schools other than LSU. There is no such thing as a hometown discount.
And the "muh recruiting base"? So what. Players want to play for championships. They can and will go to schools other than LSU. There is no such thing as a hometown discount.
Posted on 10/1/17 at 11:04 am to LSUFanHouston
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And the "muh recruiting base"? So what. Players want to play for championships. They can and will go to schools other than LSU. There is no such thing as a hometown discount.
The only thing that gives me hope is that it IS possible for an "outsider" to come here and recruit Louisiana, and I point to DiNardo as an example. Dude had no ties whatsoever to Louisiana but he was able to come here and get Kevin Faulk and others to jump on board and the program turned back to respectability for a couple years, until he was convinced that Lou Tepper was a good idea.
But the point is, someone without Louisiana ties CAN get the players.
Posted on 10/1/17 at 11:06 am to LSUGrad9295
Joe Alleva and the Good Ole Boys set this program back for 10 yrs
Posted on 10/1/17 at 11:13 am to LesGeaux45
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It's much easier to rebuild at LSU than UT however given the recruiting base
This is the mentality that got us on this path.
"Anyone can win 10 games at LSU"
Posted on 10/1/17 at 11:19 am to LSUGrad9295
Its not gonna take 9 years and 3 coaches for us to get trashed by 41 points on our home field. It could very well happen this year. But hey, why do we have to be Tennessee? Maybe we suffer for a few years with Ed O and that begats another combo like Mark Emmert and Nick Saban.
Posted on 10/1/17 at 11:19 am to LSUGrad9295
I was shocked when Tennessee ditched Majors after 3 losses in 1992. Fulmer did very well in his tenure, even winning a NC, but a bad season in 2008 preceded by several disappointing campaigns did him in. Now their program is a mess.
Sound familiar?
Sound familiar?
Posted on 10/1/17 at 11:21 am to tarzana
UTenn's problem was recruiting
they relied heavily on national recruiting, esp in California. when USC emerged, that pipeline was cut off
same issue with Nebraska and the TX recruiting they lost when OU and UT came back (along with drug testing and eliminating the partial qualifiers)
we aren't in that same boat
they relied heavily on national recruiting, esp in California. when USC emerged, that pipeline was cut off
same issue with Nebraska and the TX recruiting they lost when OU and UT came back (along with drug testing and eliminating the partial qualifiers)
we aren't in that same boat
Posted on 10/1/17 at 11:32 am to PetroBabich
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But hey, why do we have to be Tennessee? Maybe we suffer for a few years with Ed O and that begats another combo like Mark Emmert and Nick Saban.
Very very very difficult to come up with a combo that good again.
The point is, there is uncertainty. Maybe we do get homerun hires, maybe we don't.
LSU's administration took our football program to the roulette wheel and bet it all on red, and it looks like the marble landed on black.
Posted on 10/1/17 at 11:36 am to SlowFlowPro
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we aren't in that same boat
We are in the opposite situation. We're already losing top La guys to Bama and that has been WHILE we have been having relatively successful seasons. We start losing and we're back to the 90s, with blue chippers leaving the state to go to places like FSU, Miami, etc.
Posted on 10/1/17 at 12:04 pm to Obi-Wan Tiger
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. We start losing and we're back to the 90s, with blue chippers leaving the state to go to places like FSU, Miami,
Those schools aren't current juggernauts either.
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