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re: LSU is not a rebuild. LSU hired O to avoid a rebuild.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:00 pm to therick711
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:00 pm to therick711
quote:but he was thirsty
The enduring image of incompetence will be O standing away from the offensive squirting water in his mouth, then as Nero drinks, LSU burns with that last play.
Yeah, that lack of involvement, coupled with not knowing why Guice wasn't playing against MSU, is a disturbing trend.
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Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:01 pm to ShortyRob
quote:
Here's reality.
We have talent problems
We hired the wrong guy
Hiring the wrong guy is going to end up costing us one of the right guys(Aranda)
We are too deficient on OL and QB to even reasonably evaluate the one new guy.
But NONE of you see the REAL fear.
We pulled a good recruiting class in 2017. But if we train wreck this shite this season, we could go from "rebuild" to, we have nothing in a big damned hurry.
Like SFP is saying, we're getting the worst of everything in this situation.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
by definition, he's not. he's deferring to coordinators
which is why O as a builder makes no sense
when you come in to rebuild, you have to say, a/b/c are deficient and we're doing 1,2,3. we have to recruit for this and get coaches to coach this. the first year may suck and the 2nd may have growing pains, but by year 3, if i'm right, 1, 2, 3 will lead to winning
the "O phil-O-sophy" is literally the opposite of this. he has no individual vision for the program and wants to judge the team, ad hoc, and hire "the best" coordinators to resolve any deficiencies as they occur. he's reactionary and passive and rebuilding requires aggression with a solid plan
Whether you agree with him or not, or believe that it's the optimal path, a philosophy of rebuilding the defensive front 7 and the OL, adding quality QB talent and then turning the keys of the defense to Aranda and (insert competent OC) is a reasonable philosophy. It certainly isn't ridiculous.
You are struggling to make a persuasive argument.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:03 pm to Freauxzen
hiring O for continuity was bad
hiring O for a rebuild is incomprehensible
hiring O for a rebuild is incomprehensible
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:03 pm to tiger25
quote:
The reality is no one at LSU gives a shite about what you say. I didn't like the hire either and he isn't who I wanted. But he's here and we can't do anything about it.
Can't do anything?
Season ticket holders not renewing is definitely something
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:03 pm to ProjectP2294
quote:
But one of O's responsibilities as an assistant was roster configuration. So if we knew that was a problem going into this year, why promote one of the primary causes of the problem?
He had less than 1 year being recruiting coordinator. Beyond the DL situation, this just isn't a fair criticism.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:04 pm to tiger25
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The reality is no one at LSU gives a shite about what you say. I didn't like the hire either and he isn't who I wanted. But he's here and we can't do anything about it.
This is a defeatist mentality.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:04 pm to moneyg
quote:
Whether you agree with him or not, or believe that it's the optimal path, a philosophy of rebuilding the defensive front 7 and the OL, adding quality QB talent and then turning the keys of the defense to Aranda and (insert competent OC) is a reasonable philosophy. It certainly isn't ridiculous.
this plan only makes sense if we believe Aranda is going to be here for 3-4 more years. does ANYONE believe that?
the insanity of the phil-O-sophy is that by its very structure it's unstable and you cannot gameplan long-term like this
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:04 pm to moneyg
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I don't think losing the offensive lineman is a fair criticism of Orgeron. I just don't.
As for the DL, Shelvin and the Texas Tech transfer are clearly things he did. It just doesn't have an impact in 2017.
He had X number of offensive and defensive linemen on the team the day he was hired, and a certain number of those had eligibility remaining to potentially impact this year's team. He also had Y number of commitments (Shelvin included) from linemen at that time. All of those commitments were on board prior to September.
He did not add a single player to this year's team that was not already accounted for in the groups above even though there was mass attrition beginning in December. He plays a part in the 2017 depth issue no matter how much it is spun otherwise.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:05 pm to Deactived
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Season ticket holders not renewing is definitely something
i'm telling all my friends with season tickets its their duty to not renew
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
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hiring O for continuity was bad
hiring O for a rebuild is incomprehensible
That pretty much sums it up.
And I swear I have not seen the word "rebuild" on this website until Sunday morning.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:06 pm to 1999
quote:
amazing this "rebuild narrative" has been created in just a few days. nobody was mentioning a rebuild until after state drilled us by 30.
bullshite
I posted several times in the offseason that this team had glaring weaknesses but somehow that didn't matter because O was hired for continuity (OP was one of the main ones dismissing my point). As I posted then, no matter who the coach was LSU had issues on both lines, a below average qb situation, was replacing anyone who mattered on D, and new WRs. LSU could have hired Nick Saban. It doesn't automatically change the roster over night. The fact is, LSU's recruiting success has been propped up by a few highly rated players and in a lot of cases those players aren't contributing or aren't even with the program anymore.
What's happened is people gave the first two games way too much credit and now everyone is freaking out because they deluded themselves into thinking this could be a contender. Having that ripped away in 3 hours sucks.
I don't think it's ever ok for LSU to get drummed by State. Let that be clear. I have serious doubts about Orgeron doing anything remotely positive at LSU.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:06 pm to The Pirate King
quote:Well, the defense offered here is that Miss St is apparently a Top 10 team now.
quote:
LSU should not be getting blown out by barely top 25 teams.
If Miss state is 9-3, they will be much higher than bottom top 25.
I'm not saying that I'm OK with the result of the game, or that we should have lost. I'm simply saying that it's a tad premature to yell "FIRE COACH O, HE SUCKS, I WAS RIGHT!" After one game.
Let's step back a bit, look at the bigger picture, and pick which is more likely:
Mississippi State, a perennial also-ran that struggles to get bowl eligible a lot of the time, is suddenly a major power
or
Ed Orgeron, a career assistant who's only prior HC gig was a complete failure, is in over his head here.
I'm afraid the more likely choice is not good for LSU
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
The whole coaching staff was in the rebuild process. I guess this is why they say teams don't recruit well and have other issues when they have coaching changes.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:08 pm to SlowFlowPro
I was 50/50 for this year. I kept them.
Next year id say there's a 10% chance I keep them
Next year id say there's a 10% chance I keep them
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:09 pm to skullhawk
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OP was one of the main ones dismissing my point
wait, what?
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:09 pm to Deactived
quote:
Can't do anything?
Season ticket holders not renewing is definitely something
Cause that's really gonna happen
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:10 pm to tiger25
quote:
Cause that's really gonna happen
my bff gave up his season tickets
there were stories on here that there is no more waiting for season tickets and some people got them without paying TAF fees
it's happening
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:11 pm to BilJ
quote:
and therein lies the problem with this whole set up, right?
While a fair argument, you can admit that this has nothing to do with what happened on Saturday, or in relation to the OP, right?
Posted on 9/19/17 at 12:11 pm to tiger25
There isn't a waiting list for tickets.
You can get tickets to every game outside the stadium for less than half price.
Most games I can't give away my extra tickets
You can get tickets to every game outside the stadium for less than half price.
Most games I can't give away my extra tickets
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