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Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:35 am to Circus Child
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I would like to see more than 3 games to determine that.
I'm basing it on Orgeron's history coupled with losing the starting QB, top two running backs, top to receivers, two offensive linemen, two defensive linemen and three linebackers (One of which may be the best pass rusher LSU has ever had).
I may not be able to see the future, but I sure can take an educated guess.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 10:36 am
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:35 am to ProjectP2294
well O isn't actually coaching so i can't criticize him for young kids not having the proper effort
there is a great deal of legitimate criticisms, and that is stretching it too far
there is a great deal of legitimate criticisms, and that is stretching it too far
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:35 am to ProjectP2294
The enduring image of incompetence will be O standing away from the offensive squirting water in his mouth, then as Nero drinks, LSU burns with that last play. 
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:36 am to Freauxzen
it's since come out that coach o used a similar binder to get the ole miss job. admins must just really love binders.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:36 am to Circus Child
quote:Am I getting this?
A coach has never gotten better with more experience?
LSU now hires HCs that need to be trained?
Hell Joe should've just hired Arranda then.
Surely he has as much shopping skill as ED O.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:37 am to BilJ
His squeaker over Stanford is his signature win.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:37 am to BilJ
rarely does hiring the interim work out. people keep pointing to dabo, but he's the exception and not the rule.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:38 am to BilJ
quote:
In both stints, what was his signature win? Louisville?
and Stanford...after that, a bunch of scrubs that MAYBE had a combined .500 record
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:38 am to ProjectP2294
the Florida game should have shelved the whole damn thing
depending on who you talk to, some believe he would have been awarded the job that week had we won.
We keep beating A&M on the field but two years in a row they fricked us by not winning and finishing off our coach
depending on who you talk to, some believe he would have been awarded the job that week had we won.
We keep beating A&M on the field but two years in a row they fricked us by not winning and finishing off our coach
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:40 am to BilJ
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His two interim jobs, he was really the perfect guy for. You come in with the rah rah crap and you motivate a roster full of NFL talent to beat up on some inferior teams. Les' years of playing down to the competition made people think he was working miracles. In both stints, what was his signature win? Louisville
Nailed it
I did not like the hire at all but have stayed cautiously optimistic with O. After this weekend, my optimism is very low. I will hope it was just a game that snowballed and got away, but I'm afraid that I am kidding myself. We will find out over the next month.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:40 am to BilJ
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His two interim jobs, he was really the perfect guy for. You come in with the rah rah crap and you motivate a roster full of NFL talent to beat up on some inferior teams.
exactly
when you take over as interim HC, you are taking over a bad situation with poor morale, often with a team more talented than its record. a guy like O is PERFECT to come in, play cheerleader, and get guys motivated and "having fun again" and giving more effort/care with film that's already established who they are as a team
AFTER that, however, you have to construct different gameplans and that's where he's shown he's fully deficient
i mean hell he admits it with his "coordinator strategy" of coaching
other than continuity, we were sold this neo-CFB strategy of de-valing the HC and using the extra money to pay coordinators and shadow staff and THAT was how we're going to beat Bama. it was this brilliant new philosophy that was going to revolutionize CFB
at the heart of that plan is having a HC who isn't that good
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:40 am to SlowFlowPro
How does a coach "avoid" a rebuild?
I mean, I opposed the O hire, but what does the new hire have to do with a rebuild?
Either a team has talent holes or it doesn't.
You can't hire your way out of that
I mean, I opposed the O hire, but what does the new hire have to do with a rebuild?
Either a team has talent holes or it doesn't.
You can't hire your way out of that
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:41 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
well O isn't actually coaching
That's become abundantly clear.
quote:
that is stretching it too far
I disagree. He should be the main motivating force of he's not going to be doing any gameplanning or coaching.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:41 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
we were sold this neo-CFB strategy of de-valing the HC and using the extra money to pay coordinators and shadow staff and THAT was how we're going to beat Bama. it was this brilliant new philosophy that was going to revolutionize CFB
Except FSU already tried it and it was a disaster.
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:42 am to ShortyRob
quote:
Either a team has talent holes or it doesn't.
You can't hire your way out of that
what happens when you are rebuilding and then hire a mediocre at best coach who has no idea how to rebuild to run that team?
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:43 am to ShortyRob
quote:
How does a coach "avoid" a rebuild?
This is the question. The fans, Alleva and the board were sold on the fact that LSU has the talent in place so there was not going to be a rebuild. It was just more of a "re-tooling".
A 30 point loss to MSU later and now LSU has major issues and needs two years, minimum, to right the ship. There's a disconnect somewhere.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 10:45 am
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:44 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
what happens when you are rebuilding and then hire a mediocre at best coach who has no idea how to rebuild to run that team?
bad things
I was simply addressing the idea you can hire to avoid a rebuild
Hell, Bama hired Saban and it was a rebuild
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:44 am to RB10
quote:
This is the question. The fans, Alleva and the board were sold on the fact that LSU has the talent in place so there was not rebuild. It was just more of a "re-tooling".
A 30 point loss to MSU later and now LSU has major issues and needs two years, minimum, to right the ship. There's a disconnect somewhere.
exactly
you literally cannot have it both ways
Posted on 9/19/17 at 10:44 am to ShortyRob
quote:
How does a coach "avoid" a rebuild?
A better way of explaining it probably is avoiding the various concepts of rebuilding. All we probably did need was filling in some talent gaps and make changes in the offense. The coaching hire, however was supposed to ensure that was the only things that were necessary, and last weekend further entrenched the concerns some of us had regarding the hiring of O.
This post was edited on 9/19/17 at 10:46 am
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