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re: LSU has fallen because of Coach O
Posted on 10/11/22 at 12:18 pm to TigerFanPA
Posted on 10/11/22 at 12:18 pm to TigerFanPA
O tried to recreate the magic of 2019. Failed from hiring coaches to recruiting.
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Posted on 10/11/22 at 12:30 pm to Gus007
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Orgeron is one of four Head Coaches at LSU to win a National Championship.
Saban won in his 4th year at LSU
Orgeron won in his 3rd year at LSU
Notre Dame has won eleven NCs. Kelly has won 0.
Larry Coker and Gene Chizik won NCs. I guess that makes them closer to Saban than Kelly too.
This post was edited on 10/11/22 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 10/11/22 at 12:34 pm to TooSober
Are we sure that Pelini was o’s hire? With Woodward’s background with Pelini one would surmise Woodward was heavily involved in the decision at minimum. Hard to put that all on O without knowing the whole story, but we will never know what really happened.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 12:46 pm to Boomshockalocka
Bo Pellini was not a bad choice on paper at that time..... so maybe I misspoke in saying that was on O... Was he forced upon O?? Was it a rush hire to keep that class together??? It is really only in retrospect that we see how bad that hire was for the tenor of the times. But whoa was it bad.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 12:49 pm to Gus007
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BS! Orgeron is closer to Saban than Kelly.
Holy mother of god, I have finally found the ultimate rantard.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 12:50 pm to TooSober
Everyone in the building was on
Board for sure. From Woodward, Marucci, moffit, etc.
Board for sure. From Woodward, Marucci, moffit, etc.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 12:53 pm to how333
I've said this 1000 times, dating all the way back to the offseason, but I don't know if there's been a better post to respond with this to than this one. 10+ months is miniscule compared to the amount of time it took the program to reach this point. LSU isn't where they are now just because of O, you have to go all the way back to the guy that got Orgeron the interim role to begin with, Les Miles.
This program has been on a downward trend for nearly a decade now. In Miles last three seasons he went 14-10 in conference, and no I'm not giving him a pass for the year he was fired.
So with all that said, if it took 8-9 years to get the program where it currently is, in what world do you live in to think it could get back to where it needs to be in 10+ months? Logically it makes zero sense.
This program has been on a downward trend for nearly a decade now. In Miles last three seasons he went 14-10 in conference, and no I'm not giving him a pass for the year he was fired.
So with all that said, if it took 8-9 years to get the program where it currently is, in what world do you live in to think it could get back to where it needs to be in 10+ months? Logically it makes zero sense.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 12:57 pm to Gus007
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BS! Orgeron is closer to Saban than Kelly.
Dumbest fricking thing I’ve read today.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 1:04 pm to how333
Kelly walked into a program with 37 scholarship players. Folks act like the portal is the Horn O'Plenty of top notch football players that can immediately fix the problem of a coach neglecting his program. Most players are in the portal because they're not getting playing time which usually means they're not good enough where they are to get on the field. Not always obviously, but more often than not. It's what Kelly had to work with when he got here. He certainly searched the portal to fill the numerous holes on this team. Any new coach deserves the time to get the players he needs for success and to evaluate his coaches to see if they can get things done. Three (3) years minimum and probably 4. Woodward cast his lot with Kelly. He wouldn't have been my first choice, but I'm sure not going to judge him by this year or even the next although next year we should expect some marked improvement.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 1:15 pm to TigerFanPA
We know the story
Posted on 10/11/22 at 1:17 pm to CP3forMVP
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LSU isn't where they are now just because of O, you have to go all the way back to the guy that got Orgeron the interim role to begin with, Les Miles.
How the frick is any of this Les's fault? Guess 2019 was Les's fault too
Posted on 10/11/22 at 1:32 pm to rutiger
Dont care i tell it like it is dumbass
Posted on 10/11/22 at 1:39 pm to LNCHBOX
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How the frick is any of this Les's fault? Guess 2019 was Les's fault too
Don't let them falling into 2019 blind you, this program was on a downward trend for the vast majority of Orgeron's tenure, and the rock started rolling downhill under Les Miles. A lot of the issues surrounding the program started with Miles and continued with Orgeron. Orgeron no doubt deserves more of the blame, but again, the downward trend started long before the previous two seasons.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 1:43 pm to CP3forMVP
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Don't let them falling into 2019 blind you, this program was on a downward trend for the vast majority of Orgeron's tenure, and the rock started rolling downhill under Les Miles. A lot of the issues surrounding the program started with Miles and continued with Orgeron. Orgeron no doubt deserves more of the blame, but again, the downward trend started long before the previous two seasons.
It is impossible to simultaneously claim Les started the ball rolling on a decline while we had the most prolific season in the history of the sport 3 years after he left. Simply can't happen. Someone left 0 the foundation for that team, as well as most of the key coaches
The decline post 2019 is 100% the swamp monster's fault. He alone trashed this program.
Downvoter gonna need to explain themselves here.
This post was edited on 10/11/22 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 10/11/22 at 2:14 pm to TigerLunatik
Portal is primarily full of malcontents that could not get PT on their current teams or 2 - low 3 star recruits trying for one last shot at a bigger program to draw NFL attention.
The concept that the portal is full of 4 and 5 star future NFL that are coming in to save programs is not real.
The concept that the portal is full of 4 and 5 star future NFL that are coming in to save programs is not real.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 2:15 pm to Tiger on the Rag
Orgeron quit giving an F after he won the natty. And he was only as good as his assistants. When Aranda left, everything started to fall apart on defense. Same when Steve left on offense. Cregg was also incapable or unwilling to develop young lineman. Also he just whiffed on a lot of his recruits. Thats why we are playing 2 true freshmen and a true sophomore. Orgeron left as bad or worse a situation as Gerry Dinardo left Saban. Forget that we are ranked 8 in talent. Texas has been in top 5 for years and been horrible. Bad evals, bad development, depth issues at certain positions. Me non-team culture. It had to be torn down to the studs and rebuilt. Anyone who thinks this team is comparable to what Les inherited from Saban or O from Les is deluding themselves.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 2:20 pm to Gus007
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Orgeron is closer to Saban than Kelly.
Mother of God
Posted on 10/11/22 at 2:20 pm to LNCHBOX
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It is impossible to simultaneously claim Les started the ball rolling on a decline while we had the most prolific season in the history of the sport 3 years after he left. Simply can't happen. Someone left 0 the foundation for that team, as well as most of the key coaches
The decline post 2019 is 100% the swamp monster's fault. He alone trashed this program.
I don't think Orgeron was any better as a coach in 2019 than he did in any other year. He didn't suddenly become this all-world coach for a single season and then revert back to being the poor head coach he always was. 2019 was an outlier, they fell into 2019, fell into Joe Burrow (because of Orgeron and his staffs short comings, btw), and the sum of the parts were great enough to hide the underlying issues in the program for a single great season. Look at the downfall in 2020. Completely unprepared. You don't see that in great (prepared) programs. The seeds of the 2020 and 2021 failures were planted prior to 2020, we just didn't know it at the time. And you can trace back a lot of the issues, roster (mis)management, player development, player accountability, and so on all the way back to Miles. I'm not saying Miles shares like 50% of the blame with Orgeron, but you undoubtedly aren't where you are today without Les Miles drowning this program for years before he was fired. It all starts somewhere.
Posted on 10/11/22 at 2:22 pm to CP3forMVP
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I don't think Orgeron was any better as a coach in 2019 than he did in any other year. He didn't suddenly become this all-world coach for a single season and then revert back to being the poor head coach he always was. 2019 was an outlier, they fell into 2019, fell into Joe Burrow (because of Orgeron and his staffs short comings, btw), and the sum of the parts were great enough to hide the underlying issues in the program for a single great season. Look at the downfall in 2020. Completely unprepared. You don't see that in great (prepared) programs. The seeds of the 2020 and 2021 failures were planted prior to 2020, we just didn't know it at the time. And you can trace back a lot of the issues, roster (mis)management, player development, player accountability, and so on all the way back to Miles. I'm not saying Miles shares like 50% of the blame with Orgeron, but you undoubtedly aren't where you are today without Les Miles drowning this program for years before he was fired. It all starts somewhere.
So how the shite did 2019 happen if Les didn't leave the foundation and the key coaches if 0 was the same stupid idiot he was at Ole Miss?
Posted on 10/11/22 at 2:33 pm to LNCHBOX
So you're going to sit here and say Miles left this program in a good state? 2019 shouldn't change your opinion on that. He didn't.
Again, be real with yourself, 2019 happened because they fell into a historically good college QB. Perhaps the best ever. Without Burrow 2019 doesn't exist. It was through Miles and Orgeron's own incompetence at attracting top tier QB's to the program that forced them to go out and address that position, because the room was non existent. Luckily Dave Aranda had hired a friend that just happened to know Jimmy Burrow.
Miles left this program in 2016 with Danny Etling and Brandon Harris, and by 2018 all Orgeron had was a Sophomore Myles Brennan. Ineptitude all around. But again...the ineptitude all started with Les Miles.
Again, be real with yourself, 2019 happened because they fell into a historically good college QB. Perhaps the best ever. Without Burrow 2019 doesn't exist. It was through Miles and Orgeron's own incompetence at attracting top tier QB's to the program that forced them to go out and address that position, because the room was non existent. Luckily Dave Aranda had hired a friend that just happened to know Jimmy Burrow.
Miles left this program in 2016 with Danny Etling and Brandon Harris, and by 2018 all Orgeron had was a Sophomore Myles Brennan. Ineptitude all around. But again...the ineptitude all started with Les Miles.
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