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LSU had deceiving run game vs. Georgia Southern
Posted on 9/3/19 at 9:35 pm
Posted on 9/3/19 at 9:35 pm
Most Texas fans are pointing to our weak running game as indicated by our (3.7 YPC) at the game's end.
I wanted to dig a little deeper to see if this number possibly got a little skewed to look worse than it actually did.
The final rushing numbers were 33 carries on 122 yards.
With the first team we finished with 18 carries for 77 yards (4.2 YPC).
Two of these runs were misleading: A one yard TD from Clyde & a 2 yard sneak from Burrow.
Without those two runs we had 16 carries for 74 yards with the first team (4.6 YPC).
Brennan came in with the one's for the first series followed by the two's and our run game ultimately finished up with 15 carries for 45 yards.
This included two read options where Brennan amassed -1 yards on 2 carries, a 4 yard scramble, and a QB kneel.
At the end of the day, I'd like to see the 2's play a little better, but I definitely don't believe there is much to worry about going into next week especially with our starting LT coming back.
We comin.
I wanted to dig a little deeper to see if this number possibly got a little skewed to look worse than it actually did.
The final rushing numbers were 33 carries on 122 yards.
With the first team we finished with 18 carries for 77 yards (4.2 YPC).
Two of these runs were misleading: A one yard TD from Clyde & a 2 yard sneak from Burrow.
Without those two runs we had 16 carries for 74 yards with the first team (4.6 YPC).
Brennan came in with the one's for the first series followed by the two's and our run game ultimately finished up with 15 carries for 45 yards.
This included two read options where Brennan amassed -1 yards on 2 carries, a 4 yard scramble, and a QB kneel.
At the end of the day, I'd like to see the 2's play a little better, but I definitely don't believe there is much to worry about going into next week especially with our starting LT coming back.
We comin.
This post was edited on 9/3/19 at 10:42 pm
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Posted on 9/3/19 at 9:36 pm to lsutigerfan619
quote:
Two of these runs were misleading: A one yard TD from Clyde & a 2 yard sneak from Burrow.
Problem is you can apply these types of numbers to pretty much any game. The average is what the average is.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 9:37 pm to lsutigerfan619
quote:
We comin
Posted on 9/3/19 at 9:39 pm to lsutigerfan619
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Two of these runs were misleading: A one yard TD from Clyde & a 2 yard sneak from Burrow.
Without those two runs we had 16 carries for 74 yards with the first team (4.6 YPC).
Eh...you can't just take those runs out. Those types of runs happen every game, and most games it's more than just two.
If there was one area of offense where we didn't execute as good as we could have, it was definitely the run game. Although I don't think it's anything to panic about, it's something i'll be interested to see this weekend. We will have to be able to run the ball to beat Florida, Auburn, and Bama.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 9:39 pm to lsutigerfan619
if we really wanted to run we could have for 300 yards. they werent stopping us that day. I thought our offense was balanced
Posted on 9/3/19 at 9:40 pm to lsutigerfan619
If we had tried to run and failed I’d be concerned. The fact is we were able to pass and didn’t need to run. We still saw some great flashes from CEH and others.
At the end of the day we only punted three times.
At the end of the day we only punted three times.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 9:41 pm to lsutigerfan619
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Two of these runs were misleading: A one yard TD from Clyde & a 2 yard sneak from Burrow.
If you don't like the average, then look at the median. It is probably more representative of the performance per carry anyways.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 9:42 pm to cajuntiger1010
I was disappointed in the lack of versatile running plays. Same read play inside handoff every time but 1. But, I'm confident that was by design, especially since we got a big lead early.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 9:46 pm to Powerman
You're right. I guess more of the ineffectiveness of the YPC was attributed to the two's coming in.
Strictly off the eye test, I didn't think the run game with the one's was as bad as the YPC indicated, so I wanted to look into it.
Strictly off the eye test, I didn't think the run game with the one's was as bad as the YPC indicated, so I wanted to look into it.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 9:49 pm to lsutigerfan619
quote:Can we point out our strong offense game as indicated by our 55 points per game
Most Texas fans are pointing to our weak running game as indicated by our (3.7 YPC) at the game's end.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 9:50 pm to lynxcat
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If you don't like the average, then look at the median. It is probably more representative of the performance per carry anyways.
I disagree, we could have 50 one yard runs and one 50 yard run and the median would be 25. In any case, we certainly weren't going to show a lot if we didn't need to. We didn't need to. Scheme-wise, we probably have a lot we haven't showed.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 9:53 pm to jcollins9
quote:No, it'd be 1
I disagree, we could have 50 one yard runs and one 50 yard run and the median would be 25.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 9:59 pm to clamdip
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I was disappointed in the lack of versatile running plays
The pass sets up the run. We have them worried about the passing game, and I have a feeling that our backs are going to break some big runs in this game
Posted on 9/3/19 at 9:59 pm to lsutigerfan619
Good post first off. Second did Burrow pull a read one time? No. It’s the set up that’s great. We have some stallions in the five (yes five) backs. They ran the ball for 153 on Tech. To me it’s a push there. Also Texas is down to one (yes one) scholarship running back. There number two is a swapped over QB. Honestly who does that lean towards? We threw the ball with such ease who even cares about the numbers. All I’m saying is when it comes down to it.... we will run if needed.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 10:00 pm to lsutigerfan619
If LSU's passing game continues to have even near the succcess it had on Saturday, the running lanes will naturally open up because teams will be worried about the passing game more than our running game for once.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 10:00 pm to jcollins9
Not so, jcollins9,
With 50 rushes @1 yd per rush and one rush @50 yd, the median (i.e. the most common rushing yd) is actually 1.
The mean (i.e. the average), however, would be 100/51 or about 2yd/carry.
With 50 rushes @1 yd per rush and one rush @50 yd, the median (i.e. the most common rushing yd) is actually 1.
The mean (i.e. the average), however, would be 100/51 or about 2yd/carry.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 10:01 pm to lsutigerfan619
I think a lot of casual fans have weighed in on this game thinking Georgia Southern was some scrub team, even with their successful 2018 season. The truth is, what you're looking at with Georgia Southern is likely another 8-10 win football team competing for a sun belt title.
Georgia Southern returned a defense that led the nation in takeaways in 2018. They also fielded a rush defense that ranked in the 30's nationally. Yes, they play in the sun belt, that much I understand. But they were +22 in the turnover margin last year. I don't care if you have every team in Louisiana besides LSU as the meat of your schedule, +22 is fricking amazing. The kicker is, this is not a defense that lost terribly much. They returned 74% of their defensive production, good for top 30 in the nation. They field a defense with 9 upperclassmen. These are not young bucks that the coaching staff is hoping will fill in nicely. These are guys that know what they are doing.
La Tech, on the other hand, returns about 68% of their defensive production, which may not seem like a huge drop from 74%, but in between GA So and Tech's returning production is about 25 FBS teams. Not to mention, even with the gap in returning production and experience, Tech fielded a much worse rush defense with a FAR worse strength of schedule in 2018, comparative to Ga Southern.
No matter by which metric you look at this, Tech is a pretty significantly worse rush defense than Ga Southern. And Texas didn't do anything too terribly impressive themselves. Honestly, this isn't the NFL. With the talent gap between Tech and Texas, that YPC should be a lot higher than 5.1.
Now, you could make a similar comparison of Tech and Ga So's passing defenses, but the fact remains LSU beat a better Ga Southern team in a much more convincing manner than Texas beat La Tech.
Georgia Southern returned a defense that led the nation in takeaways in 2018. They also fielded a rush defense that ranked in the 30's nationally. Yes, they play in the sun belt, that much I understand. But they were +22 in the turnover margin last year. I don't care if you have every team in Louisiana besides LSU as the meat of your schedule, +22 is fricking amazing. The kicker is, this is not a defense that lost terribly much. They returned 74% of their defensive production, good for top 30 in the nation. They field a defense with 9 upperclassmen. These are not young bucks that the coaching staff is hoping will fill in nicely. These are guys that know what they are doing.
La Tech, on the other hand, returns about 68% of their defensive production, which may not seem like a huge drop from 74%, but in between GA So and Tech's returning production is about 25 FBS teams. Not to mention, even with the gap in returning production and experience, Tech fielded a much worse rush defense with a FAR worse strength of schedule in 2018, comparative to Ga Southern.
No matter by which metric you look at this, Tech is a pretty significantly worse rush defense than Ga Southern. And Texas didn't do anything too terribly impressive themselves. Honestly, this isn't the NFL. With the talent gap between Tech and Texas, that YPC should be a lot higher than 5.1.
Now, you could make a similar comparison of Tech and Ga So's passing defenses, but the fact remains LSU beat a better Ga Southern team in a much more convincing manner than Texas beat La Tech.
This post was edited on 9/3/19 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 9/3/19 at 10:20 pm to BYULSUalum
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With 50 rushes @1 yd per rush and one rush @50 yd, the median (i.e. the most common rushing yd) is actually 1.
Actually, the most common value is called the 'Mode'. The median is the value with as many above as below (also 1 yard in this particular case).
Posted on 9/3/19 at 10:29 pm to lsutigerfan619
Emery needs to carry the rock at least 5-10x per game for the run game to be a threat. I'm sure CEH is committed/dedicated/nice guy player - never in question - but that's a concern for me.
Posted on 9/3/19 at 10:29 pm to M. A. Ryland
I stand corrected, Ryland. In any case, it is one yard, and an average of about 2 yards a carry.
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