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re: LSU frustrates fans in ugly win
Posted on 9/6/09 at 9:58 am to bayouawhiskey
Posted on 9/6/09 at 9:58 am to bayouawhiskey
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it appears a possible 5-3 SEC record awaits.
Hey, It ain't 3-5.
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Posted on 9/6/09 at 9:58 am to Chicken
well said
Posted on 9/6/09 at 10:00 am to Lithium
Lithium 
Ugly win, but it was a W. Very vanilla. We have the talent to do more, and we have 10 x the athletes they did. Why we did not control the line of scrimmage is beyond me. JJ just gets the job done, he has to be more than he was last night, and charles scott showed nothing. I fully agree the defense looked better the second half. Oh, and I hate soft zone. It was the first game, but I expect more from Miles. He has shown more.
Ugly win, but it was a W. Very vanilla. We have the talent to do more, and we have 10 x the athletes they did. Why we did not control the line of scrimmage is beyond me. JJ just gets the job done, he has to be more than he was last night, and charles scott showed nothing. I fully agree the defense looked better the second half. Oh, and I hate soft zone. It was the first game, but I expect more from Miles. He has shown more.This post was edited on 9/6/09 at 10:02 am
Posted on 9/6/09 at 10:00 am to Chicken
Washington was better prepared, in better shape, and even the coaching staff looked more intense and in shape.
The offense was offensive. I have grown tired on Miles saying one thing and doing the exact opposite come game day. What ever happened to Lesticles or Lestosterone? He lacked both and hopefully this will serve as a wake up call and everyone from the weight room to the film room will have a fire lit under their arse.
The offense was offensive. I have grown tired on Miles saying one thing and doing the exact opposite come game day. What ever happened to Lesticles or Lestosterone? He lacked both and hopefully this will serve as a wake up call and everyone from the weight room to the film room will have a fire lit under their arse.
Posted on 9/6/09 at 10:01 am to Hot Stuff
Very accurate account overall.
Yeah, it's the first game of the year, real far away game, and emotionally charged team trying to scratch back who is difficult to be measured against this early, but we got lots of work to do. Bama, UFl, UGa, Ole Miss are no Wash...we are going to need to get light years better or it appears a possible 5-3 SEC record awaits.
Yeah, it's the first game of the year, real far away game, and emotionally charged team trying to scratch back who is difficult to be measured against this early, but we got lots of work to do. Bama, UFl, UGa, Ole Miss are no Wash...we are going to need to get light years better or it appears a possible 5-3 SEC record awaits.
Posted on 9/6/09 at 10:06 am to Chicken
quote:Yes, they showed it towards the end of the game in one of the highlights along with some of the other big plays...but that was the only time they showed it.
but has anyone seen Toliver's first TD reception yet?
Posted on 9/6/09 at 10:09 am to Tiger_n_ATL
I agree with what a few other people said in this thread about opening up the offense. The last TD drive we had, it was a must score. Because of that, they actually added variety to the play calling such as the option, throwing down the field, and play-action near the goal line. I just don't understand why Miles/Crowton won't call plays like that the entire game!
Posted on 9/6/09 at 10:10 am to tfl41
Also, I would like to know an official number of how many times they showed Washington's Defensive Coordinator last night!
This post was edited on 9/6/09 at 10:11 am
Posted on 9/6/09 at 10:13 am to thekid
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I think the frustration is we were outcoached again.
We had the better players.
quote:Yes, they did. And with less athletes too.
So Washington out-coached us while losing?
Posted on 9/6/09 at 10:25 am to Skillet
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and with less talent than we had on D last year
You are so wrong.
Posted on 9/6/09 at 10:29 am to Tiger_n_ATL
Let me begin by saying the Staff has far greater knowledge and understanding of this team that all of us Rantards combined. Maybe they could have called a better game, for example, taking advantage of our receiving strength. But....
A defense susceptible to the big play will be exposed in SEC contests. So far, the D looks eerily similar to the 2008 version-call it 2008 D 2.0. Poor tackling, DBs out of position, very little pressure on the QB. Add it all up and LSU will be looking at several "half a hundred" performances.
The O-line had a pedestrian performance if one views pass protection and run blocking as important to the overall success of an offense. RBs seemed...what's the word...slow and disinterested.
Call me paranoid, but I have grave misgivings about the D. I hope I am wrong.
A defense susceptible to the big play will be exposed in SEC contests. So far, the D looks eerily similar to the 2008 version-call it 2008 D 2.0. Poor tackling, DBs out of position, very little pressure on the QB. Add it all up and LSU will be looking at several "half a hundred" performances.
The O-line had a pedestrian performance if one views pass protection and run blocking as important to the overall success of an offense. RBs seemed...what's the word...slow and disinterested.
Call me paranoid, but I have grave misgivings about the D. I hope I am wrong.
Posted on 9/6/09 at 10:29 am to Towelie
Unfortunately it appears that we are no longer a top tier SEC team. Bama looked like they are just on a totally different level. We have zero chance of beating them or Florida. Even Auburn looked way better that LSU.
I fear we are in for a long year.
I fear we are in for a long year.
Posted on 9/6/09 at 10:35 am to Katy Tiger
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Unfortunately it appears that we are no longer a top tier SEC team. Bama looked like they are just on a totally different level. We have zero chance of beating them or Florida. Even Auburn looked way better that LSU.
I fear we are in for a long year.
Calm down, really...it'll be fine.
It was an opener in Seattle.
Let's at least wait and see what 'adjustments' are made in the Vandy game.
Posted on 9/6/09 at 10:37 am to Chicken
I think fans were expecting lots of improvement on the defensive side of the ball. A ball hawking defense reminiscent of a Saban defense. This was certainly not the case. Expectations were sky high.
Posted on 9/6/09 at 10:40 am to SNAPPERHEAD
Very vanilla offense.
I thought Nevis Cut and Peterson had great games. I think Nevis will be a force this year. Definitely need to get the ball into playmakers hands, like Holiday and Shep.
I thought Nevis Cut and Peterson had great games. I think Nevis will be a force this year. Definitely need to get the ball into playmakers hands, like Holiday and Shep.
Posted on 9/6/09 at 10:44 am to Chicken
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Bum phillips
Posted on 9/6/09 at 10:52 am to Chicken
Let's take it slow. Let's take it easy. It was the first game of the season, and there are a lot more games to play. The most important goal last night was to just win the game. And LSU did that.
The second most important item on the offensive agenda last night, a mission-critical factor for the season, is developing Jordan Jefferson. He's going to be LSU's QB this season: he only has a few games of experience, and (as was repeatedly stated ad nauseum last night) he's only 19. If LSU is going to have a successful season, LSU needs to have a successful QB. Last night, he need continuity and confidence. Crowton provided him with both.
No one can seriously ague that JJ's development isn't more important that winning by multiple touchdowns, giving any particular player more touches, or flooring the offensive gas pedal.
Prudence may not be pretty or thrilling, but prudence separates a good offensive coordinator from a great offensive coordinator. Prudence requires you to make different decisions in the first game (on the road) than in a mid-season game, and prudence requires you to make different decisions when you have a young, relatively inexperienced quarterback than when you have a mature, seasoned veteran.
Finally, at no point in the game was LSU down such that LSU needed to change its vanilla game plan. There was never any reason at all to panic. There was every reason in the world to continue making mature, low-risk calls.
There was no need to try to open up the offense like it was a mid-season game. Sure, fans like the team to go for it on fourth down. Sure, fans like to see a wide-open go for the throat mentality. But why risk blowing up Jordan Jefferson in the first game?
Get the win: 31-23. Check.
Develop Jordan Jefferson: 11/19 for 172 yards 3 TDs and 0 interceptions. Check.
The second most important item on the offensive agenda last night, a mission-critical factor for the season, is developing Jordan Jefferson. He's going to be LSU's QB this season: he only has a few games of experience, and (as was repeatedly stated ad nauseum last night) he's only 19. If LSU is going to have a successful season, LSU needs to have a successful QB. Last night, he need continuity and confidence. Crowton provided him with both.
No one can seriously ague that JJ's development isn't more important that winning by multiple touchdowns, giving any particular player more touches, or flooring the offensive gas pedal.
Prudence may not be pretty or thrilling, but prudence separates a good offensive coordinator from a great offensive coordinator. Prudence requires you to make different decisions in the first game (on the road) than in a mid-season game, and prudence requires you to make different decisions when you have a young, relatively inexperienced quarterback than when you have a mature, seasoned veteran.
Finally, at no point in the game was LSU down such that LSU needed to change its vanilla game plan. There was never any reason at all to panic. There was every reason in the world to continue making mature, low-risk calls.
There was no need to try to open up the offense like it was a mid-season game. Sure, fans like the team to go for it on fourth down. Sure, fans like to see a wide-open go for the throat mentality. But why risk blowing up Jordan Jefferson in the first game?
Get the win: 31-23. Check.
Develop Jordan Jefferson: 11/19 for 172 yards 3 TDs and 0 interceptions. Check.
Posted on 9/6/09 at 10:56 am to Sidis
Yeah, really! Lots of good comments on this string ... I am not too worried, b/c, #1, there is the "tired" factor (2500 mile trip, late start, time difference), #2, UW was incredibly pumped and well-prepared, whereas the Tigers at times looked like they were sleepwalking (and yet we still won!) I agree, the offensive playcalling was vanilla, but don't you expect that to change in future games? Defensively, very impressed w/ the LB play -- all of them -- and w/ PP. Chad Jones was a disappointment, as were the DE's. I think Clements, Aghayere and Montgomery need to be given a chance to see what they can do. Finally,can't believe anyone hasn't commented on the numerous shots of the fruity UW fans in the stands, particularly the guy wearing the pink cap and one-piece wrestling outfit -- priceless!
Posted on 9/6/09 at 11:01 am to just me
No. vertical. Passing game.
Until we can put defenses at risk with vertical passes, expect our running game to get stuffed.
And when Scott is in, who's no outside speedster, expect it to get stuff between the tackles.
We can heve the best wide receivers in the world , but if we can't get it to them in space they aren't allowed to use their talents. last nite w/ Tolliver breaking twoshrot passes , is the very best you can hope for.
Having said that , we nearly ruined a talented YOUNG QB last yr., asking him to do too much.Maybe we learned a lesson and we're more slowly letting him get confidence.
Until we can put defenses at risk with vertical passes, expect our running game to get stuffed.
And when Scott is in, who's no outside speedster, expect it to get stuff between the tackles.
We can heve the best wide receivers in the world , but if we can't get it to them in space they aren't allowed to use their talents. last nite w/ Tolliver breaking twoshrot passes , is the very best you can hope for.
Having said that , we nearly ruined a talented YOUNG QB last yr., asking him to do too much.Maybe we learned a lesson and we're more slowly letting him get confidence.
Posted on 9/6/09 at 11:05 am to just me
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just me
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