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re: LSU Compliance: Dare Rosenthal
Posted on 6/28/21 at 8:27 pm to Gorilla Ball
Posted on 6/28/21 at 8:27 pm to Gorilla Ball
This was Rosenthal’s 4th failed drug test. That we know of. At what point do you think he should be held accountable?
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Posted on 6/28/21 at 8:31 pm to MRGeaux
quote:Are you sure about that?
Alabama plays by the same rules.
quote:Is this an argument for or against Orgeron?
Saban running their operation and we have Orgeron. Nuff said!
This post was edited on 6/28/21 at 8:34 pm
Posted on 6/28/21 at 8:35 pm to abellsujr
Every team is subject to the exact same number of random drug test per year. Just at different times
Posted on 6/28/21 at 8:36 pm to MRGeaux
I agree 1000%
Posted on 6/28/21 at 8:41 pm to Gorilla Ball
Dare always liked the hooch
Posted on 6/28/21 at 8:43 pm to memphis tiger
quote:
It is incredibly naive to think LSU players are somehow that much different from those at Bama.
Bama is just better at keeping their players on the team and on the field after they get caught lighting up.
Bama players aren't allowed on the field unless they have damn near perfect class attendance, and meet all the other compliance checks, meal selection, work out attendance, GPA, etc etc. You can hate Nick all you want, but when you have 5 stars at every position at every year, you can expect the best, from the best. LSU has 5 stars, but just enough to trot them out on the field to encourage other 5 stars to come follow in their foot steps.
Programs are night and day, and the results reflect that.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 9:00 pm to Ebridg3
So what’s the issue then? Why do we have so many issues with compliance? If everyone plays by the same rules (which I’ve heard different) why do we have more issues than others? Are you saying it’s not the rules but the compliance itself? At what point do we look higher at the structure of the organization for all of these off the field issues?
This post was edited on 6/28/21 at 9:02 pm
Posted on 6/28/21 at 9:03 pm to Ebridg3
quote:
Bama players aren't allowed on the field unless they have damn near perfect class attendance, and meet all the other compliance checks, meal selection, work out attendance, GPA, etc etc. You can hate Nick all you want, but when you have 5 stars at every position at every year, you can expect the best, from the best. LSU has 5 stars, but just enough to trot them out on the field to encourage other 5 stars to come follow in their foot steps.
Programs are night and day, and the results reflect that.
Well said.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 9:50 pm to VolTiger13
I just don’t get it. Weed is socially acceptable and basically legal now. Just make him pay the new $100 fine every time he gets caught 
Posted on 6/28/21 at 11:13 pm to Wrucker16
quote:Yeah, so?
The attrition over the last calendar year continues…
Dare Rosenthal (TBD)
Arik Gilbert (Georgia)
Siaki Ika (Baylor)
Marcel Brooks (TCU)
Maurice Hampton (TBD)
Tre Bradford (Oklahoma)
Rosey is gifted talent wise but a chronic (!) underachiever. He was no better than SEC Average. Wire played just as well if not better.
I think Sika is a stud that'll get drafted sooner than Shelvin but wasn't a fit at the time and saw the cluster fuk that was Pelini et al... and bolted.
We underused Gilbert---I wish he'd have stayed---but I'm not gonna change this thread into a "let's beat that dead horse the kid limped out of town on" thing.
Those 3 could help but the other 3? Meh.
To state the obvious, situations and Rosters change. You make it sound like the lifeblood of the program is being sucked out drop by drop and that is a pretty far taste from being reality.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 11:21 pm to Damathe
quote:
Yeah, so?
Rosey is gifted talent wise but a chronic (!) underachiever. He was no better than SEC Average. Wire played just as well if not better.
This is just not true.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 11:51 pm to Chalkywhite84
I agree pretty much with that statement. Dare was average at best last season. While Wire played in his absence, yes there was a drop off but not a huge one from Dare. I think Wire will do a decent job next season. Think that concerns me most is depth.
Posted on 6/28/21 at 11:54 pm to moock blackjack
I think it’s awesome that Vol gives us 247 info. Not bad!
Posted on 6/29/21 at 1:00 am to Chalkywhite84
quote:
quote:
Yeah, so?
Rosey is gifted talent wise but a chronic (!) underachiever. He was no better than SEC Average. Wire played just as well if not better.
This is just not true.
Which part Chalk Man?
Wish I had time to go back through the film right now but don't. I do seem to remember Wire being better at getting primary block/then getting to secondary targets better. He gave up one sack that I can recall and I believe he had one False Start when subbing for Ingram. That's in what---six games?
Though they are roughly the same size, Rosenthal definitely looks more athletic than Wire. Could be the pad preference that makes Wire look more rounded. No telling. Rosey might be a little bigger and a little stronger but if he's faster he did not show it.
Footwork on the pass rush looked the same but Wire had to work a little harder at it. Wire playing multiple pos tells me that not only does he have the athleticism required but the kid had the intangible every Coach needs---he takes Coaching! (Joseph Evans is another example)
At any rate, I've run on here and not even let you respond, so I'll say this: if I were to agree with an assumption of Rosenthal being a better than average SEC LT, then I have to assume the same for Wire.
The better athlete is Rosenthal but that does not translate to an obvious advantage in their on-the-field performance.
Been looking but can't find a site that has grades for College OL like the NFL does. Know of any?
Posted on 6/29/21 at 3:41 am to moock blackjack
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Wire filled in nicely last year for DR. He will do a great job. Depth is the issue though.
We will be okay at the position, but we will be inferior to what we would have been. The way to win championships is to be superior, not inferior. Seems obvious.
I have been one - as I was before the 2019 season - who believed the OL would be a real strength of this team; now I’m doubtful.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 3:43 am to TigerFanNKaty
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I think it comically stupid to test college kids for weed when it is on the verge of being decriminalized across the country.
No, man, it was decriminalized in the 80’s; it is being LEGALIZED.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 3:46 am to Ace Midnight
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I don't think there is any valid argument for the health benefits of alcohol over marijuana, particularly over time.
Of course there is. It is certainly debatable, and there are plenty of researchers who think weed is worse. You exaggerate the point when you say there is no valid argument; maybe they aren’t compelling enough for you. There are certainly valid arguments to support the point of view that alcohol is just as bad but in different ways.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 3:51 am to MRGeaux
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Every team is subject to the exact same number of random drug test per year. Just at different times
Right! And you can bet your arse that Nick Saban knows when his star players are going to be tested. THAT’s the difference. THAT’s why that motherfricker wins. He does everything right. He’s actually not great at anything except the most important thing - organization.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 7:28 am to MRGeaux
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Every team is subject to the exact same number of random drug test per year. Just at different times
Then our compliance department must be the GOAT at doing their job, because they seem to be able to get a key starter suspended every season. Then because of the retarded arse rules, those kids can just transfer out and play immediately somewhere else.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 7:47 am to TigerLunatik
Alcohol is way worse for you than weed.
This post was edited on 6/29/21 at 7:49 am
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