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re: LSU basketball:Season hanging in the balance?
Posted on 1/8/09 at 9:30 am to hashtag
Posted on 1/8/09 at 9:30 am to hashtag
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You aren't a ranter. But, most are. so, I don't waste my time reading long essays. It isn't a knock on you. I just misunderstood the idea behind your post because you gave it a title that doesn't really fit with what you were obviously trying to say.
So why are you in this thread? Clearly, you don't like to read, even when it's about shite you are interested in. You just chalk it up as "ranter nonsense" and go on about your business.
And the title is fine. It could be better, but it relates to his arguments and questions in the first post.
The funny part is you throwing the term "ranter" around, when you seem to fit that bill quite nicely thus far.
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Posted on 1/8/09 at 9:31 am to hashtag
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I agree that Brady accomplished some good things. He had real success winning with 5 guys born and raised in Louisiana who were laid at his doorstep.
I don't care where the players are from as long as the team is winning. Louisiana has a ton of talent and Brady would likely still be at LSU had he been able to land guys like Augustin, Monroe, etc.
Posted on 1/8/09 at 9:32 am to CocomoLSU
I think the biggest problem with Brady was inconsistency. We can pick out a thousand things to pin it on, but bottom line he was inconsistant. After 11 years there has to be a standard. That was my real gripe.
Posted on 1/8/09 at 9:41 am to hashtag
First of all, I wish there were more threads like this on the site. The smartass-know all rantards are hard to stomach at times.
I love to see a well thought out, objective post about LSU sports.
As for Brady, he was both good and bad. People like to blame the fans or lack there of on him, but that is simply BS. Sure he didn't help. But, the lack of fans can be laid at the feet of Dale Brown and the debacle that he left the LSU BBall program in (whether it was his fault or the NCAA's is a different story). Brady inherited a Graveyard that first year. Also, LSU fans tend to be frontrunners. They talk a good game, but when it gets a little rough they run for the hills (this year in football is a pretty good example).
I love to see a well thought out, objective post about LSU sports.
As for Brady, he was both good and bad. People like to blame the fans or lack there of on him, but that is simply BS. Sure he didn't help. But, the lack of fans can be laid at the feet of Dale Brown and the debacle that he left the LSU BBall program in (whether it was his fault or the NCAA's is a different story). Brady inherited a Graveyard that first year. Also, LSU fans tend to be frontrunners. They talk a good game, but when it gets a little rough they run for the hills (this year in football is a pretty good example).
Posted on 1/8/09 at 9:49 am to ROUSTER
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Also, LSU fans tend to be frontrunners. They talk a good game, but when it gets a little rough they run for the hills
Not only that, they like to talk out their asses and have no true or logical thoughts to defend it. I can't tell you how many times i've had to walk out of a room due to the stupidy flung around out of some peoples mouth about the football team.
Posted on 1/8/09 at 10:00 am to ROUSTER
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As for Brady, he was both good and bad. People like to blame the fans or lack there of on him, but that is simply BS. Sure he didn't help. But, the lack of fans can be laid at the feet of Dale Brown and the debacle that he left the LSU BBall program in (whether it was his fault or the NCAA's is a different story). Brady inherited a Graveyard that first year. Also, LSU fans tend to be frontrunners. They talk a good game, but when it gets a little rough they run for the hills (this year in football is a pretty good example).
I couldn't agree more with that.
Plus, I think it got to a point where some fans put their hatred of the coach before their love of the team. And that is sad in many ways. Like you said, they'll talk a good game and tell you how much they support the team, but then they don't even show up at games because they're against the coach (be it Brady, Miles, whomever..).
I think one of Brady's problems was that 2000 was an anomaly, and wasn't supposed to happen that quickly. So when it did, people expected it every year, which was just not feasible.
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First of all, I wish there were more threads like this on the site. The smartass-know all rantards are hard to stomach at times.
I love to see a well thought out, objective post about LSU sports.
Agreed. Which is why I rarely visit the Rant. And any time I do, it's mainly about bball. But people are so ingrained with "Brady sucks" that you can't even have civil discussions/arguments on here...even after he's gone.
This post was edited on 1/8/09 at 10:01 am
Posted on 1/8/09 at 12:11 pm to nbaone
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nbaone
the voice of reason!!
Posted on 1/8/09 at 2:05 pm to CocomoLSU
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And the title is fine. It could be better, but it relates to his arguments and questions in the first post.
It wasn't very creative, and I'm open to suggestions...
Posted on 1/8/09 at 2:27 pm to Stromile Swift
Stromile Swift: Good Post! man well done! keep them coming...The team will be just fine! sometime in Life you need a 30pts kick in the Butt! To get ready for the "SEC GAMES"
BOTTOM LINE: DON'T CHANGE FOR ANYONE!!
BOTTOM LINE: DON'T CHANGE FOR ANYONE!!
Posted on 1/8/09 at 9:44 pm to Stromile Swift
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I don't care where the players are from as long as the team is winning. Louisiana has a ton of talent and Brady would likely still be at LSU had he been able to land guys like Augustin, Monroe, etc
If Monroe and Augustin had grown up anywhere in Louisiana except New Orleans they would have gone to LSU. New Orleans kids have historically shunned LSU regardless of who was coaching.
We came close on Augustin until Katrina displaced his family to Texas. If Trent can reverse this trend it would be a major coup and a big step toward elevatig the Tigers to the upper echelon of college basketball.
Posted on 1/8/09 at 9:56 pm to tiger20
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If Monroe and Augustin had grown up anywhere in Louisiana except New Orleans they would have gone to LSU. New Orleans kids have historically shunned LSU regardless of who was coaching.
Agreed, and it happened a lot in football during the 90's as well. Kittles, Monroe, Augustin, and other high profile players from the N.O have shunned LSU over the years. I truly believe that Brady is still at LSU if Augustin comes to LSU. I really hope that TJ and his staff can break this trend.
This post was edited on 1/8/09 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 1/8/09 at 10:21 pm to hashtag
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I agree that Brady accomplished some good things. He had real success winning with 5 guys born and raised in Louisiana who were laid at his doorstep.
Why is it taken for granted these players were automatically going to LSU. Brady and Pierre had to recruit them just like any other player. At this time 89 of the top 100 players in the 2009 class have signed or commited to their college of choice. Of that group only 27 are going to in state schools and 62 are going out of state.
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And, ya'll act like Brady's lack of marketing the program wasn't a program killer. Not only did he alienate a majority of the fans, he alienated many of his own players. Is he a decent coach? Yeah. But, the attitude towards the LSU basketball program from fans and recruits alike has taken a huge hit because of John Brady. It is going to take awhile for players and fans alike to buy into what a new coach says.
It was not Brady's job to market the program. There are some well paid personnel in the athletic department who should be handling this responsibility. How much marketing have you seen Trent Johnson do since he arrived here. He is obviously a good coach, but he has shown no proclvity to connect with fans.
The lack of fan support is directly attributable to the significant increase incost to support the football program. There are limited discretionary sports dollars in the Baton Rouge area.
Posted on 1/8/09 at 10:28 pm to tiger20
I personally think New Orleans wasnt scouted hard enough by LSU, where it should be the 1st place they go to look at players.
He hit Baton Rouge the hardest, IMO, when he should have been in New Orleans.
Not that BR doesnt have talent; they do. The sell just isnt as hard. But most New Orleans basketball players have no reason to come play for LSU. The history and continuancy of being a "great" program just isnt there to attract STUD players. Especially during Brady's tenure.
He hit Baton Rouge the hardest, IMO, when he should have been in New Orleans.
Not that BR doesnt have talent; they do. The sell just isnt as hard. But most New Orleans basketball players have no reason to come play for LSU. The history and continuancy of being a "great" program just isnt there to attract STUD players. Especially during Brady's tenure.
This post was edited on 1/8/09 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 1/8/09 at 10:41 pm to Stromile Swift
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Kittles, Monroe, Augustin, and other high profile players from the N.O have shunned LSU over the years. I truly believe that Brady is still at LSU if Augustin comes to LSU. I really hope that TJ and his staff can break this trend
Let's not forget Perry McDonald and Dwayne Bryant going to Georgetown, Chris Duhon ( from N.O. metro area) to Duke and Duane Spencer who went to Gtown before he came back to LSU for two years It has never been clear why this occurs, but there just seems to be a bias against LSU by N.O. kids. I have always thought that LSU should hire a coach with gravitas in N.O. like Bernard Griffith as an assistant just to work on New Orleans recruits.
Posted on 1/8/09 at 10:53 pm to Lester Earl
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I personally think New Orleans wasnt scouted hard enough by LSU, where it should be the 1st place they go to look at players.
He hit Baton Rouge the hardest, IMO, when he should have been in New Orleans.
Not that BR doesnt have talent; they do. The sell just isnt as hard. But most New Orleans basketball players have no reason to come play for LSU. The history and continuancy of being a "great" program just isnt there to attract STUD players. Especially during Brady's tenure.
I am certain the coaching staff was aware of every New Orleans player with Division I potential. The sell is more difficult for LSU in the New Orleans area regardless of who is coaching and recruiting. It will be interesting to see whether an African American coach will be able to connect with the inner city kids.
There was no more incentive for STUD players from other areas of the state to come to LSU and LSU has been able to get almost any player they wanted from any place except New Orleans.
Posted on 1/8/09 at 10:59 pm to tiger20
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I am certain the coaching staff was aware of every New Orleans player with Division I potential.
naw
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The sell is more difficult for LSU in the New Orleans area regardless of who is coaching and recruiting.
It all hinges on winning consistently.
Look where the best kids in New Orleans are going: Georgetown, Texas, USC, Duke...
they want to play for winners. Why choose LSU?
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There was no more incentive for STUD players from other areas of the state to come to LSU
No incentive for a Baton Rouge kid to come to LSU?? Come hte frick on.
the Temple kids? the kids that played on Temple's AAU team? University High?
Taz Mitchell wasnt Butch Pierre's nephew?
the last 5 years of LSU basketball have been based on previous relationships.
There is plenty of incentive for a BR kid to go to LSU than a kid from New Orleans.
It's not like football; basketball has a much more national recruiting base for the big teams.
Posted on 1/8/09 at 11:12 pm to ROUSTER
I've always thought Brady's problem was all the transfers. He was developing a reputation for not being able to kepp players in the program. It was only going to make it harder and harder to recruit.
Posted on 1/8/09 at 11:20 pm to Lester Earl
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I am certain the coaching staff was aware of every New Orleans player with Division I potential.
naw
Please identify the highly recruited players in the New Orleans area they didn't know about and did not recruit.
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No incentive for a Baton Rouge kid to come to LSU?? Come hte frick on.
the Temple kids? the kids that played on Temple's AAU team? University High?
Taz Mitchell wasnt Butch Pierre's nephew?
the last 5 years of LSU basketball have been based on previous relationships.
There is plenty of incentive for a BR kid to go to LSU than a kid from New Orleans.
It's not like football; basketball has a much more national recruiting base for the big teams.
You are taking a narrow period of time to make a point. It just so happened there were several Division I prospects in BR over a couple of years and theyrightfully recruited them. I don't disagree it is easier to get BR kids, but are tehy supposed to pass on them due to the ease of recruiting.
The 2000 Sweet 16 team had no BR starters and only CT III and Jermaine Williams played in backup roles.
The last five years also featured the following non BR players:
Antonio Hudson
Ronald Dupree
Torris Bright
Jaime Loreda
Anthony Randolph
Magnum Rolle
Tack Minor
Ross Neltner
Darrel Mitchell
Xavier Whipple
Chris Johnson
Terry Martin
Dameon Mason
Alex Farrer
Posted on 1/8/09 at 11:28 pm to LSU534
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I've always thought Brady's problem was all the transfers. He was developing a reputation for not being able to kepp players in the program. It was only going to make it harder and harder to recruit
Attrition is a common part of the college basketball landscape. The attrition rate under Brady is in teh middle of the pack. The attrition rate at Florida under Billy Donovan was higher than LSU under Brady.
Very few players who left played any better at their new schools. Ross Neltner did, but he also left LSU rather than compete with the highly ranked recruits in the program. Those who stayed were rewarded with a Final Four apperance.
Posted on 1/8/09 at 11:50 pm to Stromile Swift
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Was last night's loss at Utah an aberration or a sign of things to come?
I gotta wonder now too Stro.
I was very disappointed in our performance Tuesday.
We all knew CJ couldn't guard the post. But the team defense was horrible overall Tuesday. Everyone got beat off the dribble. Our help defense was non-existent. Team defense...we didn't seem to have a clue how to play defense as a unit. Even effort which should never be an issue seemed to evaporate in the second half.
I'm surprised but I'll chalk it up as an abberation. The test you can drop.
I know we ain't that bad. I can only hope we come with the resolve to prove it Sunday and beyond.
Cause I've already lived through a disappointing football season.
I just want LSU to their potential. They did not Tuesday...not even close. I still hold hope they will for the rest of this year.
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