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Posted on 12/1/25 at 2:02 pm to Madking
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Multiple top 15 classes prior to this season. The “underfunded” narrative has been debunked
top 15 money would certainly debunk the claim of underfunding. but that's not what the top 15s were were they?
now I know you deeply and desperately want to answer this with wild angry insults and tell me I am worse than two pol pots for even suggesting the team was low on NIL funds but try to keep it centered on basketball Chat not wild personal attacks
Posted on 12/1/25 at 2:08 pm to jamarr
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you have ruled that out as a possibility?
Yes. For multiple reasons that have been discussed ad nauseam every time the excuse has been brought up.
1. LSU's recruiting rankings have not reflected a program unwilling to spend if you assume highly ranked players command higher "salaries" and have a higher demand than lower ranked players. That's not to say LSU has spent the most money of any SEC program. Or even in the top 1/3rd of the conference. But to act like LSU has been grossly outspent by everyone in the league is ridiculous because.....
2. If LSU were getting grossly outspent by everyone, that information would have come out WELL before the 26th game of the season...in year THREE...conveniently at a time LSU was set to play the alleged other league "brokedick" (South Carolina). The timing of that "revelation" was suspect to anyone who was willing to look at things objectively, rather than searching under every rock to find any reason to explain LSU's pathetic 3 year record other than McMahon had done a very poor job of coaching. Or, at minimum, roster construction.
It doesn't take multiple years to build a good team program anymore. That's been shown time and time again since 2022 when the NORM is a new coach starts with little to no returning players and has to build a roster from the ground up for year 1.
That's not taking away from LSU's start this season. I've said in multiple threads, including this one, that LSU is doing things better than they have at any point in McMahon's tenure. It's just that the "you have to give a coach multiple years to build" narrative/excuse needs to go away.
Posted on 12/1/25 at 2:09 pm to tzimme4
Just stfu. You never know shite coffee boy.. 
Posted on 12/1/25 at 2:09 pm to Darth Aranda
we are McMarching to Indianapolis
Posted on 12/1/25 at 2:11 pm to Alt26
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LSU's recruiting rankings
no evidence the players were expensive, those rankings are not prices.
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If LSU were getting grossly outspent by everyone, that information would have come out
dunno how you can prove this. and it did come out. the claim was made they were underfunded.
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the "you have to give a coach multiple years to build" narrative/excuse needs to go away
agreed being underfunded is a far better excuse and you haven't given sufficient evidence to rule it out
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rather than searching under every rock to find any reason to explain LSU's pathetic 3 year record other than McMahon had done a very poor job of coaching
cant afford good players seems like a good excuse
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LSU is doing things better than they have at any point in McMahon's tenure
seems to correlate with claimed higher player pay, that would make sense.
This post was edited on 12/1/25 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 12/1/25 at 2:11 pm to Pnels08
And the women are #1 in the NET
We're a basketball school again
We're a basketball school again
Posted on 12/1/25 at 2:12 pm to Darth Aranda
FWIW On3 has us in the tournament as an 8 seed playing Wisconsin matched up with Duke as the 1. They just updated their bracketology this AM.
LINK
LINK
This post was edited on 12/1/25 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 12/1/25 at 2:26 pm to Alt26
You have to have the $$$ to compete in this age and Mcmahon did not have that last few years. So you say that this years team is doing things his team in the past didn't do and it just so happens to coincide with them spending the most they have spent in 4 years? Go back and look at the Auburn, Tenn, AL, FL games last year. All ranked schools and LSU competed with them till late in the games when TALENT eventually took over. You can't do that with that team and suck at coaching. He literally had no PG. No size. Bad shooters. Bad ball handlers.You get what you pay for. This team is nothing like his 3 previous teams. I wonder why. It isn't about who they are playing or how much they've won by. It's about how they are playing and winning. It's about having SEC level PG. It's about having size and length. It's about having 7-8 guys that can score, play defense and rebound. Its about having 22 assists between 8 players. There is no standing around. No throwing up desperation 3's with shot clock expiring. Not getting destroyed on the boards. Not having multiple scoring droughts in a game. All of which happened last couple of years but not happening this year. Why? upgrade in talent due to more $$$ spent. The guy was chewing out his team for lazy defense up by 30 late in the game but people say he's not engaged.LOL We will see what we have the next 3 games but this team has already set itself apart from his previous teams in the way they are playing. That will make a huge difference moving forward to tougher competition.
Posted on 12/1/25 at 2:28 pm to mcspufftiger7
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You have to have the $$$ to compete in this age and Mcmahon did not have that last few years
that makes sense to me and I dont think these folks refusing to believe that actually have access to NIL budgets
Posted on 12/1/25 at 2:34 pm to jamarr
The actual facts were posted last spring but you’re going off a nonsensical report from a radio personality which was again debunked by actual numbers that were posted and didn’t make any sense on it’s face. To suggest that Arkansas basketball spent as much or more money than Ohio State football, which led the nation in NIL spending last season, is absurd and discredits the narrative you continue to base your assumptions off of.
Posted on 12/1/25 at 2:49 pm to mcspufftiger7
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just so happens to coincide with them spending the most they have spent in 4 years?
How do we know that is accurate? Because someone said it's so? LSU's recruiting class for this season was ranked 32nd. Last year...16th. The year before...47th...The year before...17th.
The issue is McMahon never figured out how he wanted to build his roster. In year one he took what he could in the transfer portal, but focused efforts on HS recruiting because he wanted to build the program in the same way he built at Murry State. When that completely failed, he went heavy in the portal in year 2. It wasn't a great year, but it was better than year 1. Then he inexplicably went put more emphasis on HS recruiting in year 3 because, I guess, he still somehow believes college basketball programs are built by stacking HS classes over the course of several years. Once again, it failed spectacularly. Then faced with the REALITY that there was a faction of influential people in Louisiana that demanded his firing at the end of last season (Tate and Woodward said no...which is, in part, why neither is at LSU anymore), he put the emphasis back in the transfer market in a do-or-die season.
The narrative that LSU was spending $5 while the rest of the league was spending $5,000 was contrived, though clearly effective, BS. LSU wasn't getting grossly outspent. It was that the HC was inefficient with his purchases. If a great PG is an ABSOLUTE NECESSITY to the success of your team, then why are you wasting your (allegedly) limited resources on signing high school PGs and other non-PGs?
In the end though, it is a futile argument. For a handful of people the failures of the last 3 seasons will always be attributed to everyone BUT McMahon...who somehow has managed to be the ONLY HC at LSU I can ever recall who earned such ardent support/defense despite absolutely no success whatsoever. Hallman, Laval, Johnny Jones, Trent Johnson, even Nikki Fargas have to be thinking WTF? We all had more success and no one supported us to this degree.
We'll never agree
Posted on 12/1/25 at 2:50 pm to Alt26
They don’t know which is why when the signees started coming in I reposted threads from the previous seasons by the same posters saying the exact same things.
Posted on 12/1/25 at 2:57 pm to Pnels08
quote:so far, so good, but take a breath.
LSU Basketball 19th in first NET rankings of the year
We haven't played anybody yet. Get back to me after we've played a handful of conference games in January, then we'll have a better idea.
Posted on 12/1/25 at 3:06 pm to Madking
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The actual facts were posted last spring
that's interesting. what was our team budget? what was everyone elses?
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nonsensical report from a radio personality which was again debunked
nope I despise moscona and think he is always full of shite. I am not "going off" anything, quite the opposite I am claiming I don't know the payroll.
for the record I think will wade is the best coach in the country, I wore mcneese gear to all LSU games last year, and now I wear NC st gear, I am a season ticket holder. its not that I love McMahon. I wish he had never been hired. I am saying that I have no seen credible data on payroll.
many if no most of the criticisms of coach mcsmart I have heard from you guys seemed misguided or based on things I don't think you actually knew.
like you guys said McMahon should play Corey chest more. how do you know? chest was a hard worker and incredible athlete but he ruins the offense of a team trying to play with modern spacing. and V Miller, you wanted to see him more. I did too, but were you at practice? it goes on and on, I didn't find much of your Xs and Os critiques convincing.
and "madking" it doesn't help your credibility that you describe anyone with patience with coach MM as a triple Satan Hitler rapist that deserves worse than hellfire. so try to relax.
This post was edited on 12/1/25 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 12/1/25 at 3:09 pm to Alt26
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How do we know that is accurate?
we don't, and you don't either. that's the point.
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The narrative that LSU was spending $5 while the rest of the league was spending $5,000 was contrived
as you might say, "How do we know that is accurate? Because someone said it's so?"
Posted on 12/1/25 at 3:14 pm to atltiger6487
yeah.maybe when the AD says they are going to spend more money this year that might be a hint. It has been reported that Kentucky spent $18 mil this year. But most reports had LSU and SC spending the least the last 2 years but YOU know better. And I am not specifying one source for this. It has been reported on many sites that LSU has NOT spent the money on Basketball in the past few years. But the year the AD says they are they suddenly have better players and are executing at a higher level.Duh.
Posted on 12/1/25 at 5:40 pm to jamarr
Link?
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