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re: LSU 66 @ North Texas 62 Final - ESPNU
Posted on 11/17/23 at 2:53 pm to TommyDaTiger
Posted on 11/17/23 at 2:53 pm to TommyDaTiger
[quote]Bet you work at one of those plants huh baw?[/quote
So what is the infatuation with this type of post?
Have seen it multiple times, and just curious
So what is the infatuation with this type of post?
Have seen it multiple times, and just curious
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Posted on 11/17/23 at 2:55 pm to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
quote:Agree. He still has a very pure jumper. Doesn't miss by much even when he does miss. His problem is that Ward and Wright are better ball handlers.
He played Mwani more today which is good.
quote:We need to work on our switches, yes. We were vulnerable to overloading the floor for the final 3 against Dayton. And on one play today Williams ran away from the guy with the ball without handing him off on a break. I still think poor offense in our last 2 possessions in our 2 losses were the biggest culprit.
We still run a switch everything defense and poor switches have cost us 2 games
quote:You claimed cMM couldn't make adjustments. More time for Mwani and playing Fountain in front of Reed the 2nd half were big adjustments just today. So was going with MW3 over Trae down the stretch.
Adjustments still need to be made, even if we took a small step in the right direction today.
quote:Reed and Fountain are ahead of him by a lot right now. Without more range he is stuck behind them. I like his aggressiveness, but I don't think sitting him is a mistake barring injury.
I don't have a personal dog in the race with Chest. I just think he should play because I think he would contribute to wins. At the end of the day all that matters is winning. Losing close games isn't growth. Winning is. Corey gives us a better chance at doing that imo and that's why I want him to play.
quote:Dean played 4 minutes and did OK.
Clearly Hunter Dean is more of an impact player than Damian Collins. Great rotations by McMahon.
ETA: I did rewatch the 1st game last night. Collins seemed to be walking a bit awkwardly in between plays. Looked a little sick or nursing a minor injury.
quote:We didn't have many options last year, especially at 1-3.
This is the same guy who insisted on running Cam Hayes at the wing
quote:He isn't monotone. He is constantly tuned in and talking to his coaches and players. I swear some of you really never watched a basketball coach outside of LSU and have a really perverted sense on what coaches should be doing.
I agree, but I don't think being monotone is motivating to a bunch of young guys. That CEO monotone shtick only works if you're a winner.
This post was edited on 11/17/23 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 11/17/23 at 2:57 pm to TommyDaTiger
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2P on ESPN2 vs winner of the Towson vs Wake game
Is that tomorrow or on Sunday? It seems like it would be tomorrow (5th place) and the losers of the two semifinals (3rd place) would be the early Sunday game.
I sure hope we play Wake. That's become a tradition in recent years. Don't know anything bout Towson, other than we played a highly contested game against them in football during the Miles regime
Posted on 11/17/23 at 3:00 pm to tarzana
nobody plays tomorrow, they take off and play Sunday
Posted on 11/17/23 at 3:02 pm to drizztiger
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However, it's November for every team, so they're figuring themselves out as well. And the early metrics (we lost to two teams that were predicatively worse - one much worse in Nicholls State - and beat two teams that were very predicatively worse) doesn't bode well as a carryover from last season which had the same tendency.
I've talked about this game before, but in 2018 LSU played Florida St in a Thanksgiving tournament. In that game LSU shot 52% to FSU's 38%. LSU shot 42% from 3 compared to FSU's 35%. LSU made 11 3's to FSU's 9. The FT makes were virtually even (LSU 11, FSU 12). LSU lost that game, by 3, in OT, after blowing a 9 point lead with 3:00 to go.
How in the hell did they lose that game?!
The reason: FSU had 24 more FG attempts. Why? Partly because LSU lost the TO battle (-6). but the much bigger reason was because FSU dominated the offensive glass 22-4. Naz Reid had 2 rebounds in 41 minutes. KBW had 1 rebound in 3 minutes. After that game Wade made it the singular point of emphasis that LSU would not get dominated on the glass again. The result, LSU would become one of the best offensive rebounding teams in the nation en route to a 16-2 SEC record/championship. That team was a terrible 3 point shooting team. The worst in Wade's 5 seasons. But they were his best team overall. That FSU game was the turning point.
The point is, even after just 4 games, we can all see the glaring deficiencies that are hurting LSU. An LSU team that, frankly, has shot the ball well (except against Nichols for one half). Can/will McMahon make it a point to fix (to as much a degree as possible) those issues (defensive rebounding and 3 point defense)? If so, LSU wins games like they played against Dayton and NTU going away. If not, we will probably be looking at more boxscores and saying "how did LSU lose this game?"
Posted on 11/17/23 at 3:08 pm to mmcgrath
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You claimed cMM couldn't make adjustments. More time for Mwani and playing Fountain in front of Reed the 2nd half were big adjustments just today. So was going with MW3 over Trae down the stretch.
I will admit I was being hyperbolic in that post, and I should choose my words more carefully. I just don't think MM is the guy to lead us to sustained success, whether we want to nitpick aspects of the game or not.
Additionally, anyone who follows LSU MBB knows Fountain is the superior player to Reed. No reason he shouldn't be playing over Reed. (Unless he was still recovering from being sick like some other posters have mentioned)
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Agree. He still has a very pure jumper. Doesn't miss by much even when he does miss. His problem is that Ward and Wright are better ball handlers.
Don't see why you can't run a lineup with Ward, Wright, and Wilkinson at the 1, 2, and 3 unless we're getting pressed to hell. I don't see any issues with this lineup in certain situations. Ward looked good handling the ball against the press the past 2 games. Same with Wright (to a lesser degree). Regardless I think Tyrell needs reps being the ball handler. That is a big aspect of his game that would make him a tremendous player. He's too good and has too much potential to be relegated to a catch and shoot player. I've liked seeing him attack the basket this season.
Jordan and Tyrell have both shown an ability to penetrate inside with the ball in their hands. Have the bigs set off ball screens for Mwani to get open off the drives from Tyrell and Jordan. He can hit threes outside of the corner. He's shown it.
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He isn't monotone. He is constantly tuned in and talking to his coaches and players. I swear some of you really never watched a basketball coach outside of LSU and have a really perverted sense on what coaches should be doing.
He's getting better at it. He started showing more character on the sideline in the 2nd half of last season. I think he lost the locker room early into SEC play. Overall, it's a lot better than last year. That being said, issues with motivation still exist, he admitted so in the press conference following the loss to Nicholls.
This post was edited on 11/17/23 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 11/17/23 at 3:23 pm to Alt26
quote:Did you really just compare an LSU team with Tremont, Skylar, Smart, Naz Reid, KBW, Darius Days, and Emmitt Williams to this team and expect cMM to get similar results? JFC.
Can/will McMahon make it a point to fix (to as much a degree as possible) those issues (defensive rebounding and 3 point defense)?
This post was edited on 11/17/23 at 3:24 pm
Posted on 11/17/23 at 3:26 pm to rds dc
Good ?? job.
Posted on 11/17/23 at 3:30 pm to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
quote:I was surprised that Reed is starting over Fountain, although I think preseason injuries led to it. Now that it is a thing, I like Fountain's versatility and energy off the bench.
Additionally, anyone who follows LSU MBB knows Fountain is the superior player to Reed. No reason he shouldn't be playing over Reed. (Unless he was still recovering from being sick like some other posters have mentioned)
quote:IMO, Ward and Wright aren't good enough to carry pg duties on their own. But I would like to see more of Mwani / Ward / Wright rotate at the 2 and 3 with only one of Trae / MW3 / Stewart at the point. Maybe one of them will emerge as the go to pg eventually.
Don't see why you can't run a lineup with Ward, Wright, and Wilkinson at the 1, 2, and 3 unless we're getting pressed to hell. I don't see any issues with this lineup in certain situations.
Posted on 11/17/23 at 3:36 pm to mmcgrath
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IMO, Ward and Wright aren't good enough to carry pg duties on their own. But I would like to see more of Mwani / Ward / Wright rotate at the 2 and 3 with only one of Trae / MW3 / Stewart at the point. Maybe one of them will emerge as the go to pg eventually.
I agree with you there. I don't think the lineup of Williams and Stewart on the court at the same time is good.
If anything, Stewart should be the 1 and Williams the 2. Just based on how Stewart played at SC and how Williams played in HS. Which is a big reason why I said he doesn't know his personnel's strengths and struggles with rotations. I watched a lot of tape of Williams and I thought he would be the 2 guard. Played off ball a good bit in HS, great defender, physical player and plus athlete. He is more of a combo guard for sure and can handle the ball, but not at the level of a true PG.
For Stewart, I saw him be very ball dominant at SC and have the ball in his hands a lot to score. Not a true PG either necessarily, but more of a ball-dominant player than Williams. I think if MM wants to run the two on the court at the same time, he should let Stewart play point. I feel like a big reason Carlos has been struggling this season is because he's playing a different role where he's a lot more off ball. And when he does get the ball, he's unable to operate at the top of the key like he's used to because that's where Baker sets up on offense (don't take this as me blaming Baker, these are just chemistry/growing pains). He's been having to settle for tough 3pt shots and baseline drives over multiple defenders. I think we need to figure something out to get him involved more.
I do think though that only one of them should see the court with Ward/Wright/Wilkinson as the 2 and 3.
I wasn't saying Ward/Wright were good enough to be the PG at all times, just in certain situations where we could use the length, athleticism, and defense. Situational lineup.
This post was edited on 11/17/23 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 11/17/23 at 3:39 pm to mmcgrath
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Did you really just compare an LSU team with Tremont, Skylar, Smart, Naz Reid, KBW, Darius Days, and Emmitt Williams to this team and expect cMM to get similar results? JFC.
Please tell me you are intentionally being disingenuous and are really not as obtuse as you come across.
No, in NO WAY am I comparing those two teams. Rather, it is an example of a team/coach identifying an issue early in a season and placing emphasis to fix it that led to great success as the season went on. Just like that team, significant issues have become clear early that, if they can be addressed, can potentially lead to later success.
I'm not suggesting this LSU team is good enough to win the conference like that team. I'm not even suggesting they are good. What I'm saying is that they have shot the ball well in the last two games, yet are 1-1 (+1 in point differential) because of two deficiencies. Deficiencies that if LSU would have cut down Dayton and NTU's offensive rebounding advantage by 50% and/or limited them to 7-8 made threes vs. 11-12, we would be having a VERY different conversation. One where LSU is getting ready to play (likely) Houston on Sunday following two 8-10+ point wins in the last two games.
Posted on 11/17/23 at 3:46 pm to Alt26
quote:That's one thing Wade doesn't get credit for from even the knowledgeable detractors. He truly acknowledged deficiencies and tried to correct them. That is easily visible with him trying to fix the defense for years in different attempts.
The reason: FSU had 24 more FG attempts. Why? Partly because LSU lost the TO battle (-6). but the much bigger reason was because FSU dominated the offensive glass 22-4. Naz Reid had 2 rebounds in 41 minutes. KBW had 1 rebound in 3 minutes. After that game Wade made it the singular point of emphasis that LSU would not get dominated on the glass again. The result, LSU would become one of the best offensive rebounding teams in the nation en route to a 16-2 SEC record/championship. That team was a terrible 3 point shooting team. The worst in Wade's 5 seasons. But they were his best team overall. That FSU game was the turning point.
The point is, even after just 4 games, we can all see the glaring deficiencies that are hurting LSU. An LSU team that, frankly, has shot the ball well (except against Nichols for one half). Can/will McMahon make it a point to fix (to as much a degree as possible) those issues (defensive rebounding and 3 point defense)? If so, LSU wins games like they played against Dayton and NTU going away. If not, we will probably be looking at more boxscores and saying "how did LSU lose this game?"
I've said all along I want CoachMc to succeed, it means LSU basketball is doing well. This is on him to truly understand and try to fix. It's not all W/L, it's about what you see that gives you trust forward.
Posted on 11/17/23 at 6:29 pm to rds dc
Solid win. Think the guys are starting to figure it out. We will surprise a lot of people.
Posted on 11/17/23 at 6:32 pm to ShinerHorns
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Think the guys are starting to figure it out. We will surprise a lot of people.
hope so. i still have hope
Posted on 11/17/23 at 7:11 pm to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
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This post was edited on 11/17/23 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 11/17/23 at 7:34 pm to Alt26
quote:No, you are being silly because it is really easy for Wade to "fix" an issue in rebounding when he has a team full of naturally talented rebounders. In fact you have to wonder why it was an issue at all. It's not like they had trouble beating full court presses with Waters and Mays in the same backcourt.
Rather, it is an example of a team/coach identifying an issue early in a season and placing emphasis to fix it that led to great success as the season went on.
Posted on 11/17/23 at 7:42 pm to LSUfan2008
Today was a good day 
Posted on 11/17/23 at 8:16 pm to themunch
So it's official-- we play Wake Forest Sunday, probably 3:00 pm
Posted on 11/17/23 at 8:17 pm to tarzana
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So it's official-- we play Wake Forest Sunday, probably 3:00 pm
Good little rivalry brewing. Had a good comeback against them last year. Was a chippy game. Expect the same close competitiveness again
Posted on 11/17/23 at 8:21 pm to mcmaniacinsaneasylum
Last year's game v Wake Forest had me believing the Tigers were a pretty good team. Boy was I wrong
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