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re: [Long Post] Objective Assessment: Clemson is the BEST Team We Will Play
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:38 pm to The Detroit Lions
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:38 pm to The Detroit Lions
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I’m genuinely looking for some objective insight into this. If anything, it’s to feel more confidant about steam rolling Clemson. I think we’ll beat them, but the 20+points you guys are predicting is unjustified and I explained why. I’m genuinely looking to change my opinion here.
Truthfully. It wouldn’t shock me if it was a close game. But it also wouldn’t shock me if we beat them by 3 scores.
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Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:41 pm to pellietigersaint
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Being that this is the championship game, you aren't exactly going out on a limb
But he could be. Just because a team is in the championship game it doesn’t mean they are really a great team. Remember when Notre Dame got their arse handed to them by Bama in a championship game in 2013?
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:45 pm to memphis tiger
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Sure, Clemson is the best team we’ve faced all year, but not by much.
I don’t know why people can’t understand/comprehend this without melting.
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LSU is the best team Clemson has faced all year by a lot.
On offense? Absolutely. The best offense Clemson has ever faced.
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OSU was not the complete team people claimed them to be.
I agree to the point that OSU will remain the best defense Clemson will play. LSU’s defense is not better than Ohio States regardless of what sunshine pumpers will spew. They did a remarkable job covering Clemson’s WRs and getting pressure on Trevor Lawrence. Losing their safety for the correct targeting call was huge. What would happen if LSU lost Grant Delpit—who will absolutely make or break LSU’s defense vs Clemson. In certain, albeit few packages, Delpit will be responsible for the slot WR—Ross, or Travis Etienne. Clemson exploded after he was ejected.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:49 pm to mmcgrath
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Bama’s schedule was pathetic. The rankings don’t mean shite.
What does that make Clemson's schedule?
The poster used defensive rankings to justify Bama’s defense.
Nowhere in any of my posts did I use Clemson’s statistically ranking to justify my reasoning.
Bama’s amazing defense gave up 40+ points to the two good teams they played. One of them was a Bo Nix lead offense.
Clemson gave up 23 to Ohio State.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:52 pm to The Detroit Lions
In your attempt to out people who have gone overboard you jumped with them and drowned at sea man.
The truth usually is somewhere between the two extremes.
Also LSU's D line out performed OSU by a fairly LARGE margin over the last month and LSU plays a completely different scheme Clemson hasn't seen since last season. I would pump the brakes on the piss poor analysis and sleep whatever you ingested off.
See ya tomorrow ??
The truth usually is somewhere between the two extremes.
Also LSU's D line out performed OSU by a fairly LARGE margin over the last month and LSU plays a completely different scheme Clemson hasn't seen since last season. I would pump the brakes on the piss poor analysis and sleep whatever you ingested off.
See ya tomorrow ??
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:56 pm to J2thaROC
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But would they win by better than 50-7? I don’t think they would. 35-17 is more likely the outcome of that game if played again.
I agree with you. I don’t see this/2nd half of the season Clemson team replicating what LSU did to aTm on the offensive side.
However, I don’t think they’d give up more than 10. Mond had a QBR of 23 and they rushed for less than 50 yards. Yes, I know what the LSU defense did, I’m just saying I don’t think aTm would score more than 10 again.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 8:57 pm to The Detroit Lions
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LSU’s defense is not better than Ohio States
You simply can not say this. Level of competition matters big time. How do you know what OSU’s defense would have done playing our schedule?
Posted on 1/5/20 at 9:00 pm to memphis tiger
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So a historically dominant performance vs the #4 team in the country provides nothing of use,
I’ll paraphrase the LSU defense for you:
OU was the 4th or 5th best team we’ve play all year.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 9:02 pm to J2thaROC
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They may be the most “complete team” but that doesn’t mean their defense or offense is the best we’ve faced all year. I would argue that their offense is not as good as Bama’s (and I have the stats to back that up) and their defense is not as good as Georgia’s (and I have the stats to back that up).
What’s the score if Tua’s Bama played OSU and the score for UGA v OSU?
Posted on 1/5/20 at 9:06 pm to pellietigersaint
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Objective Assessment: Clemson is the BEST Team We Will Play
Being that this is the championship game, you aren't exactly going out on a limb
Condescending or not, I 110% agree with you.
Just read the majority of everyone’s replies and you’d assume I dislocated a shoulder reaching so hard with what should be a given.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 9:11 pm to The Detroit Lions
You want to look at score as the only indicator it seems. Both team have been exceptional in that area over the last month. Its splitting hairs. Look deeper and you will see that our Defensive front has become dominant and smothering during that stretch. It's no wonder why the defense as a unit improved when the QB started feeling immediate pressure more often than not.
Then you look again at the quality of the O lines faced and the separation widens yet further. These things are just facts and I don't forsee any argument valid to refute it.
The level at which they are playing now is all that matters, I hope Clemson does look at tape from 2-3 months ago expecting that defense. I have a feeling Dabo sees the same improvement we have and will put Lawrence on the move to try and buy time.
Then you look again at the quality of the O lines faced and the separation widens yet further. These things are just facts and I don't forsee any argument valid to refute it.
The level at which they are playing now is all that matters, I hope Clemson does look at tape from 2-3 months ago expecting that defense. I have a feeling Dabo sees the same improvement we have and will put Lawrence on the move to try and buy time.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 9:11 pm to The Detroit Lions
As a Clemson fan Ross is no where near as physical as Jones. He is dang good and I expect our WRs to show up big in this game tho. Higgins is the real deal tho no doubt. Ross is still becoming a great WR imo. Rodgers is a beast. LSU has looked aggressive and pumped up on D these last 3 or 4 games tho so I expect it to be difficult for us to move the ball. I think this game could stay on the 20s or low 30s.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 9:13 pm to J2thaROC
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But he could be. Just because a team is in the championship game it doesn’t mean they are really a great team. Remember when Notre Dame got their arse handed to them by Bama in a championship game in 2013?
2013 Notre Dame isn’t anywhere near 2019 Clemson though. The talent and coaching is worlds apart. The entire offense is back from last years title game. Trevor Lawrence is next years #1 pick while ND’s QB wasn’t even drafted. ND had a decent defense.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 9:13 pm to The Detroit Lions
I agree with you that Clemson will be the best team LSU will face this year. There were 3 great teams this year: LSU, OSU, and Clemson. Those three far outplayed any other teams. Probably the fourth best team was Bama with Tua. All three of the top 3 teams are similarly talented and well coached. LSU earned the top seed and got to play a middle of the road SEC team in OK while the other top two dogs had to slug it out. LSU matches up well against Clemson’s defense bc Clemson lost all of its D line from last year and must blitz to get pressure. The only way to slow LSUs offense down is to get pressure with 4 and cover everyone else with numbers. Clemson doesn’t have the players to do that this year. However, Clemson’s offense will exploit some of the same issues on LSU’s defense I.e. our inability to get pressure. Lawrence is mobile enough to create plays and improvise when the initial reads are covered. I think it’s going to be a shoot out and would not be surprised if both teams score over 40. I do think we have the advantage at QB, even as good as Lawrence is. Joe is exceptional at decision making. He won’t be fooled by Venables’s defense like Justin Fields was this year and Tua was last year. He’s gonna eat Clemson’s secondary for lunch. LSU 55-45
This post was edited on 1/5/20 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 1/5/20 at 9:15 pm to SportTiger1
Yea he is reaching for sure. I think they both have great potential and Higgins is a top 3-5 WR in college imo. That said Jones is arguable the best WR in the NFL and a future HOFer. Green is pretty dang good as well.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 9:17 pm to atomic31
Lmao if you think Tua is better than TLaw. Y'all also played him when he should have been in a boot on the sidelines.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 9:19 pm to pitbull20
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In your attempt to out people who have gone overboard you jumped with them and drowned at sea man.
The truth usually is somewhere between the two extremes.
Lol I’ll concede to this.
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LSU plays a completely different scheme Clemson hasn't seen since last season.
It’ll be exciting to see them versus a 3-4 again.
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I would pump the brakes on the piss poor analysis and sleep whatever you ingested off. See ya tomorrow ??
Where’s my Nexium damn it
Posted on 1/5/20 at 9:21 pm to The Detroit Lions
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I’ll paraphrase the LSU defense for you:
OU was the 4th or 5th best team we’ve play all year
Not offensively. I’d say Bama was the only offense we faced better than the Sooners.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 9:24 pm to The Detroit Lions
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Just read the majority of everyone’s replies and you’d assume I dislocated a shoulder reaching so hard with what should be a given.
I believe I have read numerous times most everyone agrees with you on the point of Clemson being the best overall team.
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I wanted to add that we will be the best offense Clemson has ever seen, but Clemson is the best team we have faced on both sides of the ball. Ohio State was the best defense Clemson has faced.
The last line of this comment is where I wholeheartedly disagree with you. You go through listing games from months ago trying to use it as why LSU isn't as good as whomever you want to pump up. Totally disregarding the known facts that tell you that over the past month our defense is performing as the top defense in college football again at the very least comparable offenses to what Clemson and OSU played during that time. Yes UGA had a couple wideouts not playing, that does nothing to change the fact our D line smothered what still considered one of the best run games and Offensive lines in the game. Then pressured on passing down at will.
LSU has proven all of the so called fans who refuse to enjoy possibly the best season in program history (pending the NCG) they will send yall scurrying into the shadows yet again.
If Clemson does win, which I believe is clearly possible, it will not be due to our players being inferior as you would have everyone think. It will be due to timely big plays and great gameplanning. Not everything has to be an absolute in life.
Posted on 1/5/20 at 9:25 pm to The Detroit Lions
Hell I'm having a shite day though, maybe I'm just in a-hole mode and should be the one sleeping it off.....
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