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re: (Long) Is the “Orgeron method” the future of head coaching hires?
Posted on 10/30/18 at 3:31 pm to Baloo
Posted on 10/30/18 at 3:31 pm to Baloo
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While I wouldn't recommend going the "Orgeron method" of hiring from within or from a pool of failed former head coaches, I would say you should try to hire up and coming coaches who have not made their name yet, and thus don't cost you as much. Of course, this requires your AD to be smart enough to identify an up and coming talent like, say, Purdue did with Brohm. Or LSU did when it hired Sabam (technically a lateral hire, but he was still a small name).
Totally agree, this is exactly what I’m getting at! I probably shouldn’t have called it the Orgeron method because I get that it gives off the wrong idea to people who aren’t going to take the time read the whole post but yea, I’m talking more $4MM for a guy like Brohm plus a bunch of great assistants compared to what A&M did by hiring an “elite” HC and surrounding him by Demayune Craig and Bradley Dale Peveto
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Posted on 10/30/18 at 3:34 pm to Jack Daniel
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No. If you have “great” coordinators you will lose then after 2-3 years and what are the odds to continue to hire great coordinators? Which also means a new offense of defense every 2-3 years
Hiring elite coordinators away is a LOT easier than hiring elite head coaches away. An extra million dollars a year is hugely significant to every coordinator in the country, and an extra million a year isn’t shite to guys like Saban or Meyer. And I don’t really think that a new system is a big deal if you have elite coaches coming in
Posted on 10/30/18 at 3:38 pm to LSUgrad08112
You are working hard to keep this shite thread at the top of this message board. Nobody cares to read your shite and if they do, they really don't care to respond to or hear any more of your bullshite.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 3:41 pm to LSUgrad08112
Its working. Its basically Money Ball except with college football.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 3:42 pm to Tiger Ree
Nobody gives a frick about the 8,000 embarrassing dog shite threads that you make a day. This is a football discussion board in case you forgot. My question is perfectly valid. Go post more fruity pictures of Ed Orgeron and have your feelings hurt because I called you out last week you whiny obsessive little fricking loser. The over-the-top response to a hypothetical isn’t really necessary because you have jilted girlfriend syndrome over me commenting on your crap threads
Posted on 10/30/18 at 3:45 pm to LSUgrad08112
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Hiring elite coordinators away is a LOT easier than hiring elite head coaches away. An extra million dollars a year is hugely significant to every coordinator in the country, and an extra million a year isn’t shite to guys like Saban or Meyer. And I don’t really think that a new system is a big deal if you have elite coaches coming in
But what if you're not able to replace the coordinator that leaves for a better job. Then the entire model falls apart.
I'm not a fan of having a head coach that is that disposable. The HC should be the foundation of the team, not the equivalent of a hood ornament for the team.
How many coordinators are even comparable in quality to Aranda? You could count them on one hand, so if we have to replace him we're likely going to end up with someone not as good, who costs just as much.
The elite coach is worth that much money because you're paying a premium for security. You don't have to worry about the coaching carousel in regards to coordinators, at least on one side of the ball. You have stability, which is essential for sustained success. You don't get that with a HC that's a figurehead.
This post was edited on 10/30/18 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 10/30/18 at 3:47 pm to LSUgrad08112
Seems to be working out for Clemson
Posted on 10/30/18 at 3:49 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Maybe if he hires a solid replacement for Miles’ DC and if E is as successful with his own QB instead of Meyer’s more schools will try it.
Is the "Orgeron method" really different from the "Miles method", though?
Posted on 10/30/18 at 3:50 pm to LSUgrad08112
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your feelings hurt because I called you out last week
If you did you probably got slapped down like the little bitch you are. Sorry I don't remember you at all.
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you whiny obsessive little fricking loser
You're the one who started the worst thread in at least a week. And I wasn't around this weekend. But there is no way a more idiotic thread was started by even a ranter.
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because you have jilted girlfriend syndrome over me commenting on your crap threads
funny. You have some kind of need for acknowledgement even starting a shite thread about a team that is 7-1 and ranked 4th in the country and accuse me of having jilted girlfriend syndrome.
Is this your only thought leading into the Bama game. Not having a head coach and hiring more analysts? fricking Idiot.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 3:51 pm to Goldrush25
I agree with the OP, the use of analysts is a force multiplier.
This could be a great tactic for schools with fewer resources, compared to elite HCs, analysts are pennies on the dollar. Get a competent administrator who can motivate the kids and placate the boosters, and have a deep staff to do the leg work for reasonable pay (a lot of analysts make 30-45K).
It is not a recipe sustained elite-level success, but if I am a G5 school it might get me bowls every year and an occasional shot at 9-10 wins.
Keep in mind the "Ogreon" method didn't materialize until his "friend" Kiffin told him how Saban had been eating ours (and everyone else's) lunch.
Jury is still out on LSU, but we absolutely backed into it with his "method", successful or not.
This could be a great tactic for schools with fewer resources, compared to elite HCs, analysts are pennies on the dollar. Get a competent administrator who can motivate the kids and placate the boosters, and have a deep staff to do the leg work for reasonable pay (a lot of analysts make 30-45K).
It is not a recipe sustained elite-level success, but if I am a G5 school it might get me bowls every year and an occasional shot at 9-10 wins.
Keep in mind the "Ogreon" method didn't materialize until his "friend" Kiffin told him how Saban had been eating ours (and everyone else's) lunch.
Jury is still out on LSU, but we absolutely backed into it with his "method", successful or not.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 3:52 pm to Tiger Ree
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Not having a head coach and hiring more analysts? fricking Idiot.
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Tiger Ree
Re-read the OP, he is not suggesting that we not have an HC, rather hire an average one instead of a high priced one.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 3:54 pm to LSUgrad08112
No
Posted on 10/30/18 at 3:54 pm to LSUgrad08112
The answer is...”it depends!”
Posted on 10/30/18 at 3:55 pm to Tiger Ree
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Nobody cares to read your shite and if they do, they really don't care to respond
Yet here you are, in his thread and responding to his posts. More than once by the way.
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or hear any more of your bullshite.
Well damn ree, that's never stopped you from starting any of your threads.
I'll say to you what I've seen you say to other people in some of your threads. Nobody forced you to enter the thread. Nobody is forcing you to read any of the posts. Go to another thread since the subject matter of this one upsets your weak stomach.
Hell, start one of your own. There might be a few fans interested to know if o has a bedtime snack every night, or if he sleeps with the window open or closed at night. You know what I mean ree. One of those hard hitting fluff pieces that you're known for.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 3:58 pm to jbraua
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can you do a tl;dr version?
The Recruiting Face Head Coach and the bestess coordinators.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 4:12 pm to Tiger Ree
I started this thread because I welcome discussion about something that I was wondering about the other day and would like other people’s input. I understand that you only start threads because your boss forces you to and you scream and cry like a little whiny bitch when people disagree with you, but I’ve been very civilly debating and
welcoming differing opinions in this thread.
You didn’t even read my OP, and honestly there are valid arguments on both sides as you can see in this thread. Again, frick yourself and get out of my thread you crybaby wannabe journalist prick
welcoming differing opinions in this thread.
You didn’t even read my OP, and honestly there are valid arguments on both sides as you can see in this thread. Again, frick yourself and get out of my thread you crybaby wannabe journalist prick
Posted on 10/30/18 at 4:14 pm to Tiger Ree
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Smacker fricking Miles has more football knowledge and common sense than you.
To be fair, she has more of both than Special Ed, yet here we are.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 4:19 pm to Goldrush25
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I'm not a fan of having a head coach that is that disposable. The HC should be the foundation of the team, not the equivalent of a hood ornament for the team
That’s fair and that’s pretty much the question that dictates whether or not Orgeron can be successful in the long term and whether it could turn into a viable strategy as long as analysts are a thing.
But RE: Aranda, not many, but how many coaches are comparable in quality to Saban or Meyer I.E. they can handle the duties of an elite coordinator AND handle the overwhelming number of things that a head coach has to handle otherwise? I just feel that there are dozens of coordinators that could keep us elite at any given time if our recruiting and player development is on point but maybe only 4-5 head coaches, if that. I mean Chavis was phenomenal here and Kelly is failing at UCLA
Posted on 10/30/18 at 4:25 pm to LSUgrad08112
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But RE: Aranda, not many, but how many coaches are comparable in quality to Saban or Meyer I.E. they can handle the duties of an elite coordinator AND handle the overwhelming number of things that a head coach has to handle otherwise?
I don't know, but they're out there.
There's a coach in CFB right now, not currently on the radar that will win a NC in the next 10 years.
Where the hell was Dabo 10 years ago? Jimbo? Both were coaching but no one was saying they're going to be championship winning coaches in 10 years.
The challenge is finding that guy but they're out there. People are too preoccupied with what's most likely to work right now, rather than what's sustainable over the long term. Unless that coach is revered like a Bobby Bowden, the CEO model is not one that can sustain a program for very long.
This post was edited on 10/30/18 at 4:32 pm
Posted on 10/30/18 at 4:44 pm to Chad504boy
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The Recruiting Face Head Coach and the bestess coordinators.
Ah, makes sense. And no, that's not the future of head coaching hires.
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