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re: Let’s talk about Scholarships
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:01 am to DRock88
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:01 am to DRock88
Y'all are some assholes. It's actually not bad info, though it seems incomplete.
Also people forget that lsu has an advantage too with TOPs for Louisiana kids. That's means more scholarships can be allocated to out of state kids, like Doughty probably gets less scholarship percentage than Crews
Also people forget that lsu has an advantage too with TOPs for Louisiana kids. That's means more scholarships can be allocated to out of state kids, like Doughty probably gets less scholarship percentage than Crews
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Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:01 am to VUfan
quote:So it stands to reason Vanderbilt, because of EFC, isn’t limited to only recruiting from wealthy families the way other schools could be because they don’t have the ability to adjust their tuition accordingly.
When you take into account the socioeconomic status of most college baseball players families who tend to be middle class to wealthy, the EFC goes up.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:01 am to VUfan
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That’s not how it works.
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They do it the same for every single student at the school.
Athletic scholarships, tution assistance, and costs never work the same as regular students.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:01 am to VUfan
Don't listen to some of these idiots. I and I imagine many others, appreciate the information.
I don't think anybody blames Vanderbilt for this situation. They're willing to take the financial hit to expand their enrollment in both breadth and depth. Although, I'm sure they crunched the numbers and it's probably a net gain for them. Especially when you consider the revenue increased enrollment generates in other places outside of tuition fees.
I don't think this program would be as effective at State schools since that's usually just the default go-to for in-state students. I think the drag for Vanderbilt is the academic standards hurdle which when considered in conjunction with the financial advantage of enrollment through Opportunity Vanderbilt, may end up being a wash for their Sports programs. That is, unless of course they bend their academic rules a little in-house for their student-athletes.
I don't think anybody blames Vanderbilt for this situation. They're willing to take the financial hit to expand their enrollment in both breadth and depth. Although, I'm sure they crunched the numbers and it's probably a net gain for them. Especially when you consider the revenue increased enrollment generates in other places outside of tuition fees.
I don't think this program would be as effective at State schools since that's usually just the default go-to for in-state students. I think the drag for Vanderbilt is the academic standards hurdle which when considered in conjunction with the financial advantage of enrollment through Opportunity Vanderbilt, may end up being a wash for their Sports programs. That is, unless of course they bend their academic rules a little in-house for their student-athletes.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:02 am to VUfan
So, Corbin is just charming all of these early round picks to campus to pay for their education and risk injury when they could be making gobs of money and have benefits, etc?
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:04 am to StTiger
quote:In this scenario Doughty then has to maintain higher academic requirements than Crews. I’m not speaking to the academic credentials of either player nor how difficult those requirements may be, but TOPS can’t just be awarded to who ever they feel like giving it to.
Also people forget that lsu has an advantage too with TOPs for Louisiana kids. That's means more scholarships can be allocated to out of state kids, like Doughty probably gets less scholarship percentage than Crews
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:05 am to DRock88
You guys can get mad all you want but the fact of the matter is your schools could do it if they wanted to but they choose not to. I know it sucks but that’s the truth. I get mad that Vandy is behind the times in football facilities because they choose not to put money into it, but that’s the way it is.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:05 am to VUfan
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So, students like Jack Leiter and Kumar Rocker are paying more to go to Vandy than they would to go to other schools in the SEC.
Leiter and Rocker aren't paying a dime. Vandy, like Stanford, Duke, USC, etc. offer privately funded athletic scholarships that are used to compensate for the differences in athletic, academic, and financial aid support.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:05 am to DRock88
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So, Corbin is just charming all of these early round picks to campus to pay for their education and risk injury when they could be making gobs of money and have benefits, etc?
Exactly we are expected to sit here and believe that guys are passing up 5+ mil signing bonuses to pay to play baseball for Vanderbilt
I understand the value of a Vanderbilt education, but when you are talking about someone like Kumar Rocker or Jack Leiter that value goes down real quick.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:06 am to VUfan
quote:So now you're admitting that it's happening.
the fact of the matter is your schools could do it if they wanted to but they choose not to
quote:They have enough scholarships to cover the full team. This happens with baseball and gives y'all an advantage other schools don't have. Just the way it is, like you said. But it does happen... also like you just admitted to.
I get mad that Vandy is behind the times in football facilities because they choose not to put money into it
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:06 am to MOT
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but TOPS can’t just be awarded to who ever they feel like giving it to.
Tops is not difficult to get or maintain
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:06 am to VUfan
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You guys can get mad all you want but the fact of the matter is your schools could do it if they wanted to but they choose not to. I know it sucks but that’s the truth. I get mad that Vandy is behind the times in football facilities because they choose not to put money into it, but that’s the way it is.
Nobody is mad here. You're just naive.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:06 am to VUfan
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your schools could do it if they wanted to but they choose not to.
to some degree, yes. It's not necessarily just a private school thing. Michigan does some of it as well.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:07 am to StTiger
quote:Thanks for ignoring the part of the post where I pointed this out.
Tops is not difficult to get or maintain
The fact remains LSU, as an institution, doesn’t control who qualifies for it.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:08 am to OchoDedos
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Leiter and Rocker aren't paying a dime. Vandy, like Stanford, Duke, USC, etc. offer privately funded athletic scholarships that are used to compensate for the differences in athletic, academic, and financial aid support.
Did you read any of my initial post? That’s exactly what I’m talking about. Good Lord man
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:08 am to nola000
quote:No one in this thread has. But we talk about the reality of the situation. The OP is trying to deny that reality.
I don't think anybody blames Vanderbilt for this situation.
quote:Remember this is ONLY necessary for baseball because of the disparity with the scholarships not covering the entire roster. No other sport has to deal with that.
I think the drag for Vanderbilt is the academic standards hurdle which when considered in conjunction with the financial advantage of enrollment through Opportunity Vanderbilt, may end up being a wash for their Sports programs. That is, unless of course they bend their academic rules a little in-house for their student-athletes.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:09 am to StTiger
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Tops is not difficult to get or maintain
It gets a little more difficult when you have to maintain the high level of performance standard that being on the baseball team demands at LSU (well has demanded in the past may have regressed some in recent years in some areas).
However, inherently you are 100% correct for the average student it shouldn't be difficult to get or maintain TOPS.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:09 am to DRock88
Considering Vanderbilt is a private institution, I would assume they are able to use scholarship money with far less restraints than a public university. They can tinker with the formula and privately fund scholarships for baseball players while not having to do so for the general school population. The 11.7 number for baseball scholarship is added into the Opportunity Vandy scholarship so they in reality can make up for the discrepancies caused by that limitation.
This post was edited on 6/21/21 at 11:12 am
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:12 am to VUfan
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Did you read any of my initial post? That’s exactly what I’m talking about. Good Lord man
Leiter and Rocker aren't paying a dime in tuition. You stated the two pay more in tuition than most students at a public university.
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:12 am to TigerAlumni2010
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Considering Vanderbilt is a private institution, I would assume they are able to use scholarship money with far less restraints than a public university. They can tinker with the formula and privately fund scholarships for baseball players while not having to do so for the general school population.
They can’t. They have to follow the same rules as everyone else.
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