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Let’s talk about Scholarships

Posted on 6/21/21 at 10:46 am
Posted by VUfan
Tennessee
Member since May 2019
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Posted on 6/21/21 at 10:46 am
I’m a Vandy fan and as a Vandy fan I see all sorts of misinformation about our “unlimited” scholarships. This is a widely read SEC baseball message board so I figured I could talk about this here and maybe begin to correct some of the misunderstandings.
First of all, we’ll talk about Opportunity Vanderbilt. What the program does is take a student’s estimated family contribution (EFC) from their federal financial aid application and adjusts the amount of tuition that they have to pay to that number. Vanderbilt has 11.7 scholarships just like everyone else. What they do different is they adjust their tuition to the level of the student’s family’s income. They do this for every single student that is accepted to Vanderbilt. So, every single student’s tuition varies according to their families income. The tuition at Vanderbilt is 52k per year which is nearly twice that of every other SEC school. So, if a family is upper middle class or wealthy, their EFC is going to be rather large and thus they will pay a higher price for tuition, more than they would pay at any other SEC school. So, students like Jack Leiter and Kumar Rocker are paying more to go to Vandy than they would to go to other schools in the SEC.
The average EFC in the US for 4 year colleges is 14 k per year. When you take into account the socioeconomic status of most college baseball players families who tend to be middle class to wealthy, the EFC goes up. So, the price to attend Vanderbilt for baseball is essentially the same or more at Vanderbilt as it is at any other school in the SEC.
The program that they have isn’t a loophole. Lots of other schools do it and if a school isn’t doing it then it’s because they choose not to. Take Alabama for instance. They choose to spend their money on elaborate stadiums and amenities for the athletes. Millions upon millions are spent on having the latest and greatest facilities. Even a portion of that money would go a long way towards finding a program like opportunity Vanderbilt. It’s all about priorities. Once again, it’s perfectly legal and within the rules. It isn’t a loophole and any school can do it if they want to. If they don’t do it then it means that they choose not to and that they spend the money in other areas and solicit donations for other things besides tuition assistance. I know it may suck and it seems unfair. I would encourage you to write your school and urge them to begin a program like opportunity Vanderbilt if you think they should do it, but then again, your tuition prices wouldn’t change that much because it’s already below the average EFC for in state students.
Thanks for listening and hopefully this sheds some light on things.
Posted by Tigerpride18
Lakewood Colorado
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Posted on 6/21/21 at 10:47 am to
Good luck
Posted by OKtiger
Tulsa, OK
Member since Nov 2014
8595 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 10:50 am to
LMAO no one is reading that diarrhea you just posted
Posted by DRock88
Member since Aug 2015
9481 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 10:51 am to
Lol @ Rocker and Leiter paying college tuition.
Posted by LSU316
Rice and Easy Baby!!!
Member since Nov 2007
29289 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 10:53 am to
Do you not see how the EFC adjustment strategy could be altered on an individual family basis to help the student athlete?

I mean hell at LSU the tuition is let's just say 18K....everyone pays that (some LA kids get help from the state via TOPS) except for the 11.7 baseball players that don't.

At Vandy you could legally adjust the EFC for more than 11.7 baseball players so that your starting 9 pay 0 (via scholarship)....but your best relief pitcher may only pay 3K or your best DH may only pay 6K...then all the walkons pay whatever their real EFC adjusted tuition would be.

The big difference between Opportunity Vandy and TOPS is that in LA the state controls TOPS (the qualifications, amount, institution tuition, etc). VU controls all that stuff about Opportunity Vanderbilt.

I'm not saying that happens at Vandy but it could very easily happen and as you said is basically legal.
This post was edited on 6/21/21 at 10:55 am
Posted by VUfan
Tennessee
Member since May 2019
169 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 10:54 am to
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Lol @ Rocker and Leiter paying college tuition.

Believe what you want but they pay more to be at Vandy than they would to be at any other SEC school.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85039 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 10:54 am to
When a freshman comes in and lives by himself for a year and is no longer considered a dependent, he has no incomes and gets a full scholarship through OV for the rest of his career. All 11.7 are used on freshman.

That’s the loophole.
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
70313 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 10:54 am to
They only use the 11.7 on the Freshmen.

Those guys then spend a year independent from their families' income, so when they get the "adjusted tuition" based on their own income as broke dick college kids, they go for free.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85039 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 10:54 am to
No they don’t.
Posted by LSU316
Rice and Easy Baby!!!
Member since Nov 2007
29289 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 10:55 am to
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Believe what you want but they pay more to be at Vandy than they would to be at any other SEC school.


You are gonna tell me that Al Leiter's kid isn't a part of Vandy's 11.7.... bullshite.

ETA Rich people don't stay rich by being dumb...a kid with the talent that Leiter had doesn't pay tuition.
This post was edited on 6/21/21 at 10:57 am
Posted by DRock88
Member since Aug 2015
9481 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 10:56 am to
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Believe what you want but they pay more to be at Vandy than they would to be at any other SEC school.


Yes, and Dylan Crews also pays college tuition.
Posted by lsutiger2010
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 6/21/21 at 10:56 am to
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This post was edited on 10/18/21 at 10:53 pm
Posted by VUfan
Tennessee
Member since May 2019
169 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 10:57 am to
quote:

Do you not see how the EFC adjustment strategy could be altered on an individual family basis to help the student athlete?

I mean hell at LSU the tuition is let's just say 18K....everyone pays that (some LA kids get help from the state via TOPS) except for the 11.7 baseball players that don't.

At Vandy you could legally adjust the EFC for more than 11.7 baseball players so that your starting 9 pay 0 (via scholarship)....but your best relief pitcher may only pay 3K or your best DH may only pay 6K...then all the walkons pay whatever their real EFC adjusted tuition would be.

The big difference between Opportunity Vandy and TOPS is that in LA the state controls TOPS (the qualifications, amount, institution tuition, etc). VU controls all that stuff about Opportunity Vanderbilt.

I'm not saying that happens at Vandy but it could very easily happen and as you said is basically legal.


A FAFSA is a legally binding document so that would open up a whole other can of worms. Plus, if they were doing that for student athletes and not every other student then yes that would be a violation.
Posted by LSU316
Rice and Easy Baby!!!
Member since Nov 2007
29289 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 10:57 am to
quote:

Those guys then spend a year independent from their families' income, so when they get the "adjusted tuition" based on their own income as broke dick college kids, they go for free.


A damn good point.

Again I'm not saying Vandy absolutely does this but due to the fact that it is entirely legal they would be stupid not to.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
85039 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 10:59 am to
Most students don’t get the opportunity to have a full athletic scholarship as a freshman either. You’re not making sense.
Posted by VUfan
Tennessee
Member since May 2019
169 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 10:59 am to
quote:

Those guys then spend a year independent from their families' income, so when they get the "adjusted tuition" based on their own income as broke dick college kids, they go for free.

That’s not how it works. They do it the same for every single student at the school. You don’t have to believe me but that’s the way it is. You guys have built it into some crazy thing that it’s not.
Posted by LSU316
Rice and Easy Baby!!!
Member since Nov 2007
29289 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 10:59 am to
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A FAFSA is a legally binding document so that would open up a whole other can of worms.


Nobody is lying on their FAFSA....OV could use a different number.

quote:

Plus, if they were doing that for student athletes and not every other student then yes that would be a violation.



Who audits the program? When was the last one done?
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
70313 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 10:59 am to
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Plus, if they were doing that for student athletes and not every other student then yes that would be a violation.



How many regular students are going to spend a year becoming financially independent of their parents without the cushion of a full scholarship that includes food and a place to live?
Posted by DRock88
Member since Aug 2015
9481 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:00 am to
quote:

A FAFSA is a legally binding document so that would open up a whole other can of worms. Plus, if they were doing that for student athletes and not every other student then yes that would be a violation.


Wake up, bud. They have an advantage.
Posted by VUfan
Tennessee
Member since May 2019
169 posts
Posted on 6/21/21 at 11:00 am to
quote:

A damn good point.

Again I'm not saying Vandy absolutely does this but due to the fact that it is entirely legal they would be stupid not to.

It’s not legal to do it that way and that’s not the way it works.
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