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re: Let's revisit the Shaq/Stanley Roberts duo
Posted on 1/22/16 at 9:23 am to SPEEDY
Posted on 1/22/16 at 9:23 am to SPEEDY
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Which is funny because that is what happened to Shaq in his NBA career

Are you talking about Shaq who went to LSU and had a hall of fame career in the NBA? Probably the most physically dominating center of all times? Surely you jest.
This post was edited on 1/22/16 at 9:27 am
Posted on 1/22/16 at 9:33 am to Tigerinthehollow
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Shaq was a skinny mofo
Not sure I would call Shaq 'skinny'. They both came to LSU weighing almost the same. Shaq was listed at 286 his freshman year and Stanley was 288. They may have fudged on Stanley's weight, but it doesn't change the fact that Shaq was already big.
Posted on 1/22/16 at 9:35 am to yaherrdme
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Georgia tech was also loaded with NBA talent as well.... everyone overlooks that part for some reason
They also went on to reach the Final Four after beating LSU.
If you go back and look at the box score you see that Shaq and Roberts had monster nights:
Shaq: 19pts 14rbs
Roberts: 21pts 15rbs
Chris Jackson had a bad night (for his standards) with only 13pts.
Tech's big 3 guards (who could all fill it up) had big nights. LSU's strength was inside; Tech's was outside. When it was all said an done, Tech's strength prevailed.
That LSU team played and beat some damn good teams that year: UNLV (the eventual National Champs) and Loyola Marymount just to name a few. If they would have gotten past Ga. Tech, I think they reach the Final Four. The just caught the wrong team and the wrong time.
Posted on 1/22/16 at 9:41 am to Alt26
Seems like the Tech guards were able to contain Jackson and that was the difference in winning and losing.
Posted on 1/22/16 at 10:22 am to Stevo
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couldn't win the conference with a roster that included Chris Jackson, Shaq, Stanley Roberts, Vernel Singleton, Wayne Sims, and other good role players. Lost in 1st round of the SEC tourney and lost in the 2nd round of the NCAA tourney. Come to whatever conclusion you want about the coaching of that team.
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This is a typical uninformed complaint from people who didn't follow basketball at the time. The fact is that Shaquille was an athletic, promising young player, but was often in foul trouble and still developing his offensive game. Stanley was a redshirt freshman with more offensive skills than Shaquille that year, but it was both players first year playing college basketball. During this era, the dominant teams were loaded with seasoned talent who had played together for several years. Super stars didn't jump to the NBA after just one year. This team lost early in the Tournament because they were young and inexperienced compared to many other top teams. Had this team stuck together and still lost, the criticism would be valid. But for that team, it just shows you didn't follow college basketball.
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You're partially right. Look there is no doubt Dale did a lousy job with that team. I'll never forget after the first game of the year in the preseason NIT when they played horrible and barely beat an average USM team, and Dale says that's OK we're good enough to win with just talent alone. Not what that team needed to hear. He also ran a lot of hi/low post with Shaq and Stanley, except he would put Shaq (who had no shot whatsoever) in the high post, and put Stanley (who had a really nice touch from 15 feet) in the low post. Never could figure that out. Dale just never got it right with that team. But if you're going to criticize Dale for that team, you sure as hell better recognize some of the amazing jobs he did with other teams. In 1987 he took a team that started Darryl Joe, Anthony Wilson, Nikita Wilson, Bernard Woodside, and Oliver Brown, to a heartbeat away from the Final 4 in the Superdome. Anthony and Nikita were nice players, but not one guy on that team ever played in the NBA.
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couldn't win the conference with a roster that included Chris Jackson, Shaq, Stanley Roberts, Vernel Singleton, Wayne Sims, and other good role players. Lost in 1st round of the SEC tourney and lost in the 2nd round of the NCAA tourney. Come to whatever conclusion you want about the coaching of that team.
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This is a typical uninformed complaint from people who didn't follow basketball at the time. The fact is that Shaquille was an athletic, promising young player, but was often in foul trouble and still developing his offensive game. Stanley was a redshirt freshman with more offensive skills than Shaquille that year, but it was both players first year playing college basketball. During this era, the dominant teams were loaded with seasoned talent who had played together for several years. Super stars didn't jump to the NBA after just one year. This team lost early in the Tournament because they were young and inexperienced compared to many other top teams. Had this team stuck together and still lost, the criticism would be valid. But for that team, it just shows you didn't follow college basketball.
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You're partially right. Look there is no doubt Dale did a lousy job with that team. I'll never forget after the first game of the year in the preseason NIT when they played horrible and barely beat an average USM team, and Dale says that's OK we're good enough to win with just talent alone. Not what that team needed to hear. He also ran a lot of hi/low post with Shaq and Stanley, except he would put Shaq (who had no shot whatsoever) in the high post, and put Stanley (who had a really nice touch from 15 feet) in the low post. Never could figure that out. Dale just never got it right with that team. But if you're going to criticize Dale for that team, you sure as hell better recognize some of the amazing jobs he did with other teams. In 1987 he took a team that started Darryl Joe, Anthony Wilson, Nikita Wilson, Bernard Woodside, and Oliver Brown, to a heartbeat away from the Final 4 in the Superdome. Anthony and Nikita were nice players, but not one guy on that team ever played in the NBA.
This post was edited on 1/22/16 at 10:25 am
Posted on 1/22/16 at 11:38 am to LSUgrad88
No doubt we had a lot of talent, but my point is that people are discounting the value of other talented teams who had been playing together for some time. The LMU's, UNLV's, GT's, UNC's, etc.
Posted on 1/22/16 at 12:43 pm to Alt26
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They also went on to reach the Final Four after beating LSU.
They were a good team, we were up by 19 in the first half but lost the lead pretty quickly.
The issue for me with this team is that they had to play Tech in the second round because they were a 5 seed due to an underachieving season.
Sure Shaq and Stanley were frosh/redshirt soph but they impacted the game plenty and were more effective than most frosh, redshirt/soph's.
We also had Junior Wayne Sims and Sophomore's with a lot of experience returning in Jackson, Boudreaux and Williamson.
Underachievent in the regular season led us to having to play that really good GT team, who was also a bit of an underachieving team in the regular season, in the second round.
Posted on 1/22/16 at 1:01 pm to Honest Tune
Understatement, LSU had the best college team ever assembled. They had enough talent on that team to compete against NBA teams. People forget about the others on that team but the best 5 were all kick arse not just shaq and roberts.
Posted on 1/22/16 at 1:43 pm to jrodLSUke
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What really jumps out to me is that LSU fans couldn't wait to fire the most successful basketball coach in LSU history, in part because he should have won more with that much talent.
Dale Brown used to say he could win the championship if he could only get a true center.
The OP is talking about the two 7-footers LSU had, when in fact, LSU had THREE 7-footers in 1989 and 1990 who would go on to play in the NBA:
Shaq, Roberts and Geert Hammink.
Posted on 1/22/16 at 1:54 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Speaking of Geert, what happened to his kid? He got out of here pretty quickly.
Posted on 1/22/16 at 2:02 pm to Honest Tune
From Wiki:
Hammink's Baton Rouge, Louisiana-born son, Shane Hammink, who played for Canarias Basketball Academy in Spain's Canary Islands, is a member of the Valparaiso Crusaders men's basketball team. He was considered one of the top players in Europe.
Hammink's Baton Rouge, Louisiana-born son, Shane Hammink, who played for Canarias Basketball Academy in Spain's Canary Islands, is a member of the Valparaiso Crusaders men's basketball team. He was considered one of the top players in Europe.
Posted on 1/22/16 at 2:21 pm to LSUgrad88
Shaq had a better percentage from the floor than the free-throw line.
All a team had to do was collapse on Shaq when he got the ball, and foul him. It's part of what turned me off of college basketball, it's a shitty way to play a sport.
Dale was right to tell Shaq to go pro, the refs weren't going to do anything about teams intentionally fouling Shaq, but only getting called for personal fouls. It was indeed 'Hack-a-Shaq' and he would've eventually gotten hurt.
All a team had to do was collapse on Shaq when he got the ball, and foul him. It's part of what turned me off of college basketball, it's a shitty way to play a sport.
Dale was right to tell Shaq to go pro, the refs weren't going to do anything about teams intentionally fouling Shaq, but only getting called for personal fouls. It was indeed 'Hack-a-Shaq' and he would've eventually gotten hurt.
Posted on 1/22/16 at 3:39 pm to Honest Tune
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Were they the best pair of 7 footers on the same team in the history of college basketball? It's rare to find one guy with their skill set, much less two. For those that were able to see Stanley play, was he as naturally talented as advertised?
They were a good combo, but the only year they played together was the worst year of higher basketball of their careers. In other words, both could only go up.
Shaq was much too raw and uncoordinated. Yes, he could block shots and throw down dunks, but he only began to achieve a jumper in the NCAA tournament that year and he was always a candidate to foul out -- this with the SEC's 6 foul rule even. His offensive game was atrocious if he was away from the basket beyond 8 feet.
Roberts had a smooth touch and could float in the lane to avoid his shot being blocked. He was sort of a 3 playing in a 5's body...and with a 5's weight. His defense was good, but nowhere near Shaq's. He often took too many shots.
In other words, one lacked what the other had.
Keep in mind all of the big men back then, too...Alec Kessler, Frank Kornette, Oliver Miller, Matt Geiger, and David Benoit were all challenges to the duo -- that in the SEC alone.
They were a solid duo, but the best ever? I don't think so.
This post was edited on 1/22/16 at 7:09 pm
Posted on 1/22/16 at 3:41 pm to 911Moto
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The Twin Towers from Kentucky say "Hello."
Can we retire this phrase along with "Bye Felicia"?
Posted on 1/22/16 at 3:43 pm to Alt26
Tech should have been beaten. They went 6 deep most of the night...7 if you count the spare change Barnes played.
Anderson and Scott -- that's who beat us that night back in '90. Score was 22-5 at one point.
This post was edited on 1/22/16 at 4:24 pm
Posted on 1/22/16 at 3:45 pm to Keltic Tiger
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ot only could Daddy Dale not win the conference with those players, it was a time when UK was on probation & was nowhere near what they used to or are now. Ga. & Vandy, WillfrickingPerdue won the conference 2 of those yrs as I recall.
'86 - UK
'87 - Bama
'88 - UK
'89 - Florida
'90 - Georgia
'91 - LSU/State
Will Perdue never sniffed a c'ship until he got to the Bulls. Vandy had a better team without him (89) and Kornette was the center.
Posted on 1/22/16 at 4:00 pm to Honest Tune
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Were they the best pair of 7 footers on the same team in the history of college basketball?
Are you just talking about college ball? Shaq is hard to beat just considering him if you take in NBA career.
In college ball Karl Anthony Towns and Willy Cauley-Stein made it further along in NCAA than Shaq and Stanley in college. Also back in the 70's Rick Roby and Mike Phillips won the NC at UK.
Actually, when discussing the Shaq era I thought that Chris Jackson was the best player on that team and close to best in NCAA at his position. One of the best shooters I can remember. I am really not sure why he did not tear it up in the NBA.
Posted on 1/22/16 at 4:52 pm to justustm2
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you talking about Shaq who went to LSU and had a hall of fame career in the NBA? Probably the most physically dominating center of all times? Surely you jest.
Yes. Shaq was notoriously lazy after he got to LA
Posted on 1/22/16 at 7:29 pm to Honest Tune
They never jelled in the one year together. It always seemed to be individuals on the floor instead of a team because despite their size it was Chris Jackson's show and he wasn't giving up his opportunities. Shaq was a very raw talent. Stanley seemed to be aloof and really just going through the motions.
Posted on 1/22/16 at 8:27 pm to Honest Tune
Money doesn't keep you young and help you straighten up !
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