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re: Let's Put It all Out There- Be Honest
Posted on 9/20/09 at 1:50 pm to Statestreet
Posted on 9/20/09 at 1:50 pm to Statestreet
I know everyone is not satisfied with where we are, but we have some young players in key positions. Just remember, we've improved every week.
The OL play has not been great so far, but that could improve. The two new guys are young and should improve week to week. Clearly Black, Hitt, and Barksdale can play better than they have. And when a new offensive line is put together it takes some time for it to get cohesive. So, the OL could still pull together and if it does I like our chances.
JJ's not tearing anyone up yet, but he's being careful and not trying to win games by himself. He's improving steadily. BTW, He looked real good on third downs last night. Once the OL comes together he will be just fine.
The D is still adapting to a new scheme. I think part of the problem with the DL and the pass rush is that they have shifted to a read and react scheme rather than a penetration/disruption scheme. This is slowing them down on the pass rush. It might be that they are still learning the "reads". In obvious passing situations our pass rush seems okay. So, this could improve as well.
Just have a little faith and a little patience. These tigers might surprise you. They could be a force to reckon with by the end of the year.

The OL play has not been great so far, but that could improve. The two new guys are young and should improve week to week. Clearly Black, Hitt, and Barksdale can play better than they have. And when a new offensive line is put together it takes some time for it to get cohesive. So, the OL could still pull together and if it does I like our chances.
JJ's not tearing anyone up yet, but he's being careful and not trying to win games by himself. He's improving steadily. BTW, He looked real good on third downs last night. Once the OL comes together he will be just fine.
The D is still adapting to a new scheme. I think part of the problem with the DL and the pass rush is that they have shifted to a read and react scheme rather than a penetration/disruption scheme. This is slowing them down on the pass rush. It might be that they are still learning the "reads". In obvious passing situations our pass rush seems okay. So, this could improve as well.
Just have a little faith and a little patience. These tigers might surprise you. They could be a force to reckon with by the end of the year.
Posted on 9/20/09 at 1:54 pm to IceTiger
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I would put these suggestions to you: Once the coaches allowed JJ to throw the ball down the field, he looked worse.
The talent on the o-line is weaker than we're used to.
Yep, last week's posts.."Why don't we throw it downfield?"
This week,"Jefferson can't throw it downfield."
The O-line is really struggling.
Posted on 9/20/09 at 1:55 pm to deathvalleytiger10
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The O-line is really struggling.
I said this two weeks ago and was belittled
Posted on 9/20/09 at 2:02 pm to Green Ram 2
And who the hell are you for anyone to give a sxxt what you believe? I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you probably believed that Florida and Alabama would kick our butts in 2007, Oklahoma would do so in 2003, and on and on!
Posted on 9/20/09 at 2:28 pm to dreaux
Exactly right. We have identity problems.
Posted on 9/20/09 at 2:33 pm to augustbengal
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Our coaches are being cautious..
=no swagger
Posted on 9/20/09 at 2:37 pm to Green Ram 2
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Are we a well coached team.
No we sure aren't.
Posted on 9/20/09 at 2:39 pm to Green Ram 2
quote:Aside from bowl games & VT, LSU has seldom looked well coached under Miles. You can count on one hand the times when they've played a team with respectable talent that they've looked disciplined and fundamentally sound.
Are we a well coached team.
LSU simply out talented teams from 05-07.
The attention to detail, intensity, & and being physically dominant attitude isn't there.
Posted on 9/20/09 at 3:08 pm to Chicken
I'm sorry but I have to agree with Green Ram. Yes, I'm an old-timer who's been watching LSU football since 1964.
It is my opinion that the smash mouth football has moved to the east. I respect Les Miles - he is a fine person, good family man, and apparently a great recruiter.However, his teams will never match the fire, toughness and intensity of a NS coached team. We have to face it - NS is going to make Bama a power for as long as he's there.
I think we are an 8-4 team this year. Before you start talking nega-tiger, let me say that no one cheers louder and loves LSU football more than this 52 year old.
I hope I'm wrong and I'll be cheering the tigers hard from sec 611 or in front of the TV.
It is my opinion that the smash mouth football has moved to the east. I respect Les Miles - he is a fine person, good family man, and apparently a great recruiter.However, his teams will never match the fire, toughness and intensity of a NS coached team. We have to face it - NS is going to make Bama a power for as long as he's there.
I think we are an 8-4 team this year. Before you start talking nega-tiger, let me say that no one cheers louder and loves LSU football more than this 52 year old.
I hope I'm wrong and I'll be cheering the tigers hard from sec 611 or in front of the TV.
Posted on 9/20/09 at 3:13 pm to Geert Hammink_43
All of these posts about us being a poorly coached team really makes a ton of sense...
poorly coached teams have a lot of penalties...wait that can't be us we have had very few.
Poorly coached teams lose....errr wait haven't lost yet, that can't be right.
Well, poorly coached teams don't dominate teams like they should...they don't cover the spread errr, wait that can't be right either.
A large percentage of the people making posts like this are idiots with crazy expectations, minimal football knowledge and no earthly idea what the goals the coaching staff has set for their team.
Have all you rantards talking about how poorly coached we are ever thought that Miles and Crowton may be going slow with JJ so he doesn't make too many mistakes and lose confidence? That is good coaching...knowing and scheme-ing to your limitations. The fact that our defense is learning a new scheme because we have a new coordinator might mean we take less chances until the coaches are confident we minimize blown assignments and big plays.
The bottom line is this team has been in control of all three games played and won them easily. They have committed very few penalties, given up very few big plays, we have a QB who doesn't make many mistakes and makes good decisions...all signs of good coaching.
We need to run the ball up the middle better and our defensive line needs to get better pressure rushing 4 and JJ needs to hit on some of those deep passes but none of that indicates that we are a poorly coached team.
poorly coached teams have a lot of penalties...wait that can't be us we have had very few.
Poorly coached teams lose....errr wait haven't lost yet, that can't be right.
Well, poorly coached teams don't dominate teams like they should...they don't cover the spread errr, wait that can't be right either.
A large percentage of the people making posts like this are idiots with crazy expectations, minimal football knowledge and no earthly idea what the goals the coaching staff has set for their team.
Have all you rantards talking about how poorly coached we are ever thought that Miles and Crowton may be going slow with JJ so he doesn't make too many mistakes and lose confidence? That is good coaching...knowing and scheme-ing to your limitations. The fact that our defense is learning a new scheme because we have a new coordinator might mean we take less chances until the coaches are confident we minimize blown assignments and big plays.
The bottom line is this team has been in control of all three games played and won them easily. They have committed very few penalties, given up very few big plays, we have a QB who doesn't make many mistakes and makes good decisions...all signs of good coaching.
We need to run the ball up the middle better and our defensive line needs to get better pressure rushing 4 and JJ needs to hit on some of those deep passes but none of that indicates that we are a poorly coached team.
Posted on 9/20/09 at 3:31 pm to Geert Hammink_43
Let's see now: Florida struggled with a medicore Tennessee team; was that poor coaching? Texas looked pedistrian against a so so Texas Tech team; was that poor coaching? USC lost to Washington (I do believe that LSU did beat Washington), was that poor coaching? The 'almighty Nick Saban and Alabama got the shxt kicked out of them by Utah, and almost lost to a poorly coached Lsu team, was that poor coaching? Oh that's right, Saban blamed that loss on the alabama fans. Oklahoma lost to BYU who got blown out by FSU, was that poor coaching? And I do believe that while at Oklahoma State Les Miles beat the unbeatable Oklahoma twice; was luck of poor coaching by Stubs? Hey, I could go on and on, but some of you know-it-all's just can't accept the fact that there are a lot of damn good teams and a lot of damn good coaches out there, and the cliche, "on any given Saturday....." has taken on a new, and real meaning.
Posted on 9/20/09 at 3:35 pm to Green Ram 2
Green Ram 2 is a Bama troll attacking our great coaching staff.
Posted on 9/20/09 at 3:44 pm to Geert Hammink_43
[quote]Aside from bowl games & VT, LSU has seldom looked well coached under Miles. You can count on one hand the times when they've played a team with respectable talent that they've looked disciplined and fundamentally sound. LSU simply out talented teams from 05-07.**** The attention to detail, intensity, & and being physically dominant attitude isn't there.***/quote]
I've been saying this here for years, along with many others..
Outside of a one or two year phenomena of McFadden, Snead, Cadillac,etc..where the SEC West others had used a superstar player to beat out an superior LSU that had usually flat out-talented the rest of the West if not also an LSU that was sharp that day and well-coached, then also squeak past Fla at home most every other year..
This recent winning formula for LSU hit the wall in 2008, and appears that it may be challenged again in SEC play 2009..
With Bama's recent and foreseeable upgrading in elite talent, it's HC, and an increasingly tougher SEC West with new HCs that are pulling talent due to an ever-increasing SEC allure that is helping even it's lower-tiered schools get better players than they previously could..
To expect LSU to maintain their ultra-elite '03-'07 results with their current modus-operandi, is unrealistic..
There must be a return to the attention-to-detail, mastering-of-minutiae, mindset, mentality, intensity,etc..
I think the LSU team talent to be there, but the technical savvy, football IQs, well-defined schemes, repetitiously drilled consistencies, and most importantly well-defined team identity, etc..to be less than in previous years..and will be more exaggerated of late due to the rise of savvy squads led by more senior-laden teams led by the likes of McCoy, Snead, Tebow,etc..
Hammering overrated Yankee teams in the SuperDome, or overrated ACCers in Atlanta, when with a month to prepare superior speed and talent to do such, is great..
But, winning in the newly Head Coaching revamped SEC West, and also the overall SEC crown in Atlanta in coming years, is gonna require better X&Os, team discipline, player football IQs, mastering of the minutiae,etc..than displayed these previous two and a half years..and LSU is no longer gonna have the drastic talent edges of recent at it's luxury..that gap is being closed especially with Bama..if not others..
The bar is being raised!
I've been saying this here for years, along with many others..
Outside of a one or two year phenomena of McFadden, Snead, Cadillac,etc..where the SEC West others had used a superstar player to beat out an superior LSU that had usually flat out-talented the rest of the West if not also an LSU that was sharp that day and well-coached, then also squeak past Fla at home most every other year..
This recent winning formula for LSU hit the wall in 2008, and appears that it may be challenged again in SEC play 2009..
With Bama's recent and foreseeable upgrading in elite talent, it's HC, and an increasingly tougher SEC West with new HCs that are pulling talent due to an ever-increasing SEC allure that is helping even it's lower-tiered schools get better players than they previously could..
To expect LSU to maintain their ultra-elite '03-'07 results with their current modus-operandi, is unrealistic..
There must be a return to the attention-to-detail, mastering-of-minutiae, mindset, mentality, intensity,etc..
I think the LSU team talent to be there, but the technical savvy, football IQs, well-defined schemes, repetitiously drilled consistencies, and most importantly well-defined team identity, etc..to be less than in previous years..and will be more exaggerated of late due to the rise of savvy squads led by more senior-laden teams led by the likes of McCoy, Snead, Tebow,etc..
Hammering overrated Yankee teams in the SuperDome, or overrated ACCers in Atlanta, when with a month to prepare superior speed and talent to do such, is great..
But, winning in the newly Head Coaching revamped SEC West, and also the overall SEC crown in Atlanta in coming years, is gonna require better X&Os, team discipline, player football IQs, mastering of the minutiae,etc..than displayed these previous two and a half years..and LSU is no longer gonna have the drastic talent edges of recent at it's luxury..that gap is being closed especially with Bama..if not others..
The bar is being raised!
This post was edited on 9/20/09 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 9/20/09 at 3:52 pm to dreaux
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bama would whip our arse right now.
Maybe if we played them this Saturday, but we don't play them until November. LSU will be much improved by then.
Bama has a long row to hoe the next 5 weeks. I think they will lose 2 of the next 5 games and will be a prime candidate for a good arse whoopin' by LSU by the time the Tigers cruise into Tuscalooser.
Posted on 9/20/09 at 4:04 pm to TheRoarRestoredInBR
I agree. You said it all. What you don't think of when you think of LSU is "well oiled machine." Hadn't been there all of 2008 and now starting 2009.
I believe the defense will prove to hold its own with Chavis at the helm. But offensively, no, not with sound, fundamental offensive principles in place.
Too much chatter by QB at the line (I don't blame JJ for this. He's coached that way.) Too many times backs not aligned (not major, just some nit picking things all the time). And poor route calling (not route running).
I believe the defense will prove to hold its own with Chavis at the helm. But offensively, no, not with sound, fundamental offensive principles in place.
Too much chatter by QB at the line (I don't blame JJ for this. He's coached that way.) Too many times backs not aligned (not major, just some nit picking things all the time). And poor route calling (not route running).
Posted on 9/20/09 at 4:09 pm to tirebiter
The fans smell something.
There's smoke.
Posted on 9/20/09 at 4:13 pm to mrbayoublu
And LSU still doesn't jam the gunners on STs..don't be holding your breath for that TigerStadium Kick Return TD that Condon is awaiting..
Not unless TH, Chad, etc..make the first guy or two miss via the juke(Skyler's and Arena's specialty)..
I miss the Saban jam on WRs, Punt Gunners,etc..but of course it's impossible to do when playing WRs 12 to 20 yards off the LOS, nor never engaging a punt gunner.
Not unless TH, Chad, etc..make the first guy or two miss via the juke(Skyler's and Arena's specialty)..
I miss the Saban jam on WRs, Punt Gunners,etc..but of course it's impossible to do when playing WRs 12 to 20 yards off the LOS, nor never engaging a punt gunner.
Posted on 9/20/09 at 4:20 pm to triplesauce
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The fans smell something.
they're sitting in front of they're computer screens smelling farts, that's all
Posted on 9/20/09 at 4:34 pm to cepheid
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Where can we get dat swagga?
Wal-mart?
Posted on 9/20/09 at 4:36 pm to IceTiger
quote:In my opinion this is a sign of good coaching and the team being mentally in the game. Also, I would add, have you seen the team making the same mistakes every week or are they new mistakes?
Look at it objectively:
How many turnovers have we had?
How many penalties?
quote:I'm sure the coaches already knew this since they see him in practice every day and were trying to manage the game and bring him along slowly but on the rant it is a sign of poor coaching for not slinging the rock down the field from the start of game 1.
Once the coaches allowed JJ to throw the ball down the field, he looked worse.
quote:I agree that the coaches are doing a good job and I think the team will continue to progress on both sides of the ball and have a good season.
I am of the opposite position of all you. The coaching staff is doing fine, all areas could use some tweaking
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