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re: Lets nip this rant narrative in the bud
Posted on 10/22/17 at 10:53 am to BigBrod81
Posted on 10/22/17 at 10:53 am to BigBrod81
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Wrong. Saban has stunted & blitzed the Tigers to death in obvious passing situations the last 5 years because the offensive line has struggled to stop it.
We read what I posted.
I didn’t say Saban doesn’t blitz. I said they don’t have to to shut down our offense.
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Posted on 10/22/17 at 10:58 am to Peepdip
There's 7 in the box presnap with an 8th defender (safety) charging & making the tackle. If Bama feared the pass game, there is no way that safety is that close to the line of scrimmage.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 11:01 am to memphis tiger
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They play us straight up without stacking the box and still absolutely destroy our running game.
On passing downs, they don’t have to blitz. They can drop 7 into coverage and still destroy our o line while only rushing 4.
That's what you said & you are wrong.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 11:09 am to Peepdip
So the two Safeties SPRINTING to the line of scrimmage just prior to and at the snap doesn't count as being in the box?
Posted on 10/22/17 at 11:12 am to Peepdip
LSU just doesn't have the right kind of QB to beat Alabama this year.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 11:13 am to Peepdip
Stacking the box is an overused term but there's no getting around that Bama has defended us within almost single-minded focus on the Run.
Some less than knowledgeable fans think that means stacking the Box but it also can manifest itself and how coverages are decided. How safeties play at the snap. How linebackers play at the snap. He'll really how everybody plays at the fricking snap.
Some less than knowledgeable fans think that means stacking the Box but it also can manifest itself and how coverages are decided. How safeties play at the snap. How linebackers play at the snap. He'll really how everybody plays at the fricking snap.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 11:14 am to BigBrod81
quote:For some reason stunts just kill us. Venables stunted us to death in the Clemson bowl game. Hell, Troy was doing it. Syracuse stunted with one side of their DL almost every play it seemed (may be wrong about this). I have no idea why it is uber-effective against us. Zone blocking schemes are just for this and blitzs.
Wrong. Saban has stunted & blitzed the Tigers to death in obvious passing situations the last 5 years because the offensive line has struggled to stop it.
Worth noting in that gif that's Marlon Humphrey, a CB, not a safety. I would guess that in the case of that play they just prefered to use him as a S with responsibility for Fournette or TE and put S on WR on other side instead of moving him around (potentially creating a mismatch).
But when you have a DB, CB or S, filling holes at or behind LoS that damn often, you're doing something wrong.
And you are right, he had zero fear of TE or RB releasing and getting beat. Once he diagnosed running play and blockers were occupied, he dove right in... beating LF7 to the point of attack. Hell, he didn't even worry about containment because DE maintained outside leverage because he basically blocked the blocker to keep his position. The DE blocked down, pushing the OL into the hole and could disengage if needed for containment. He did not fill the hole. He filled the hole with our blocker, and CB cleans up.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 11:20 am to I20goon
Great post sir
Posted on 10/22/17 at 11:24 am to Peepdip
If we play a competitive game we will have a chance to win.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 11:27 am to Peepdip
You are right that in the past they haven't stacked the box, but they might as well have. In the past we were so uncreative that all you have to do is man up the WRs. Everyone else can run downhill at the first sign of a run. We certainly weren't going to throw it to the TE.
I still don't think we will have success running the ball, but this time it is just because of our young OLine. They will be physically and mentally beat. At least this go around, with the new offense, we have a chance to run the ball successfully on the plays where we block well.
I still don't think we will have success running the ball, but this time it is just because of our young OLine. They will be physically and mentally beat. At least this go around, with the new offense, we have a chance to run the ball successfully on the plays where we block well.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 11:28 am to memphis tiger
This was one of the very few times the offense made Alabama pay for blitzing. Wish I could have found another angle but this will have to do.
The corner line up to cover Travin Dural ends up coming on a corner blitz. The safety rolls over to pick up Dural but with Travin having a running start, he blows by the safety.
This is also one of the rare times Brandon Harris made a great presnap read. Something he saw gave away the corner blitz presnap. He knew he would have a safety rolling over to try to pick up Dural which is a mismatch that favored Dural. Harris made the right read & a beautiful throw for the TD.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 11:31 am to I20goon
If you watch the end of the play the safety does come down to about the 20 yard line. My guess is his primary responsibility is to cover a TE or release, and once he's diagnosed it's a run play he's secondary responsibility is to stuff the run/any holes. Everything else you said was spot on.
But thinking about it this leaves 1-on-1 coverage on the back side so Bama has absolutely zero respect for our passing game in that one situation. I can't speak for the rest of the game but it seems as though they've played man coverage in the past games so maybe that's always been the case?
But thinking about it this leaves 1-on-1 coverage on the back side so Bama has absolutely zero respect for our passing game in that one situation. I can't speak for the rest of the game but it seems as though they've played man coverage in the past games so maybe that's always been the case?
Posted on 10/22/17 at 11:34 am to Peepdip
You're too stupid for football, apparently. In 2015, they had 9 and sometimes even 10 selling out on the run. They'd start with 7-8 and pre-snap or on the snap, the safeties (or even rarely a corner) were flying down / in. It is not even like it is an uncommon coverage scheme; it is just one the Ross Delinger's of the world cannot grasp.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 11:37 am to Peepdip
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I honestly don't even think a lot of you even know what stacking the box means. You see a 2 yard run and go "stop running on a stacked box you stupid fricks!"
Go back and see where Bama's safeties are lined up - not in the box. Go see how many tackles they make in the box. Just because they dont line up in the box they do over commit to the run. Canada will have to do something to nuetralize the safeties. Bama's front seven will still be a formidable force to get through but make no mistake those two safeties have always been key in Bama's highly effective run defense.
frick the box, You still will be running against 9 men if we dont force the safeties to be honest.
This post was edited on 10/22/17 at 11:38 am
Posted on 10/22/17 at 11:43 am to Peepdip
To be honest, I'm more worried about our pass protection than our run blocking. I mean we'll need something that looks like a credible passing game to go along with our running game. Maybe like 60-40, maybe even 70-30 "might" do the trick. Got to have both. Saban knows how to shut down a running game. Seen him do it time and again. Personally I'm fearing unless we can throw the ball with some success.....hummm!
This post was edited on 10/22/17 at 11:46 am
Posted on 10/22/17 at 11:52 am to I20goon
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For some reason stunts just kill us. Venables stunted us to death in the Clemson bowl game. Hell, Troy was doing it. Syracuse stunted with one side of their DL almost every play it seemed (may be wrong about this). I have no idea why it is uber-effective against us. Zone blocking schemes are just for this and blitzs.
Alabama almost killed Mett in 4th quarter back in 2013 with line stunts. The offensive line simply could not pick up the stunts & defenders were coming free unblocked, unloading on Mett. It was awful. Nothing was worse than having to see him writhing in pain on the turf in Bryant Denny.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 1:03 pm to RoaringTiger33
Selling out for the run does not equal stacking the box you dumb frick
Posted on 10/22/17 at 1:05 pm to Peepdip
Keep believing that shite the safety cane running down into the box right before the snap almost every play.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 1:09 pm to Peepdip
We'll have to keep bama's defense off balance, something our coaches haven't even tried to do in the last four years. Our offensive game plan has to be aggressive with no penalties. IMO, our defense can slow bama down but our O has to score points.
Posted on 10/22/17 at 1:16 pm to BigBrod81
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There's 7 in the box presnap with an 8th defender (safety) charging & making the tackle. If Bama feared the pass game, there is no way that safety is that close to the line of scrimmage.
Did you see the gif you posted?
There are 6 in the box with a safety lined up 6 yards off the ball manned up on the TE.
They've done this to us for years and we can't win the individual battles.
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