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re: Let me explain why LSU has a real chance to make it to the playoffs next year

Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:30 pm to
Posted by Choctaw
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Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:30 pm to
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We'll either have the worst qb in the SEC as our starter or an inexperienced qb as our starter

Either scenario equals not a chance in hell finishing in the top 4


Sincerely,

2011
Posted by Choctaw
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Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:31 pm to
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we will not be favored against Auburn, Bama, S Carolina, Ole Miss, and Florida


do you ever get tired of being wrong
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
12995 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:38 pm to
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Sincerely,

2011


Defense will not be near as good and deep as that one and whether people want to delude themselves, LSU doesn't have a game changer on defense and special teams near Mathieu.

2011 was a great year pre-NC game, but having a once in a quarter-century level player doesn't happen very often.
Posted by Choctaw
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Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:39 pm to
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Defense will not be near as good and deep as that one


and our offense won't be as bad. so it evens out.

PLAYOFFS HERE WE COME!!
Posted by RedTigerRulz
BFE
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:43 pm to
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LSU has one of the most proven coaching staffs in the nation. If you do question our staff, I have nothing for you


Like Jones said.....stopped reading rite cheer!
Posted by TigerB8
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Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:46 pm to
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and our offense won't be as bad. so it evens out


You don't think possibly losing 4 of 5 offensive lineman will have any effect on these QB's? Hopefully Grimes gets his group playing at a level he had the 2010 Auburn O-line. Even then, there's no Cam at QB for LSU.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:48 pm to
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and our offense won't be as bad. so it evens out.

PLAYOFFS HERE WE COME!!


That was the 2nd best offense in the last 6 years.

Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
26340 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:50 pm to
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Geauxgurt



So much wrong here. I don't know where to begin.

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LSU will lose most of their OL including the all important Left Tackle and possibly 4 of 5 starters and their top 2 reserves.



No. LSU will likely only lose 2 starters. They will return Pocic, Hawkins, and Vadal. Will also have KJ Malone, 6-6/230 Jonah Austin, Brumfield, Boutte, and Dodd. We may take a step back but it won't be a big one.

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The DEs are likely both gone and their replacements are a huge question mark.



Hunter and Rasco didn't do much in pressuring the QB this year anyway. They are great players no doubt, but their actual on-field production wont be hard to replace. Our DTs should be a huge improvement next year too.

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Likely lose Kwon Alexander, Collins, along with Martin and probably Robinson (kicked off team).



LB is probably the deepest position on the team. Beckwith, Lamar Louis, & Riley/Jones will be plenty at that spot.

We likely won't lose both Jalen Collins and Mills. Jamal Adams is a monster. Dwayne Thomas will be back. Rickey Jefferson will likely be better. Ed Paris will get playing time. You still have White and maybe Robinson.

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On offense outside of the OL, you lose two of the top 3 RBs and while we have some solid recruits coming in, you can't expect them to be great out of the gate.



Not worried about our RBs lol.

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The QB position is still garbage and I don't see it improving given both Miles' history and Cam's (his QB's take time to develop almost always).



The last game against A&M likely gives us a glimpse into what plays we see called in the future. Much more spread and not as predictable. We saw how much more effective that was (even tho A&M's D sucks.)

Its hard to imagine our QBs playing worse than they did this year. This will likely be an improved area.

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That said, Bama will still be equal to this year.
Auburn will be improved on defense as will A&M as neither can be worse, and A&Ms new QB will have experience.
Arkansas keeps improving.
Florida won't be a shite show.


Lol just no. Bama loses basically all of their offense. Same with Auburn. You have no idea what Florida will be but their is likely an adjustment period with a new coach. Arkansas should be improved but does lose some big time players on D. A&M should be improved also but we have them at home and always play well against them.
This post was edited on 12/5/14 at 2:54 pm
Posted by Vernonbrew22
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Member since Feb 2014
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Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:52 pm to
If Dural and Alexander return on O and Hunter returns on D, Look Out SEC (with or without early departures from DB ville). The core group of young players have the makings of a Monster. With this said, QB play will have to improve. Should not regress in this area.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
12995 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:56 pm to
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Hopefully Grimes gets his group playing at a level he had the 2010 Auburn O-line. Even then, there's no Cam at QB for LSU.


That was an OL that was veteran he had only coached for a year (4 seniors and 1 Junior)

LT - Ziemba - Senior
LG - Berry - Senior
C - Pugh - Senior
RG - Isom - Senior
RT - Moseley - Junior (JUCO transfer)

So you think he's going to do the same thing with 4 new starters that he did with 4 returning starters when LSU may lose 6 of its top 7 OL?
Posted by CajunPlayer
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Posted on 12/5/14 at 2:56 pm to
My sons got me on this board a few years back. Every now and then I come back to visit and see if anything new is happening.
Nope. All the people with LSU fan in their sigs are lying. They only know how to be critical of a program that they claim to love.
Three things before you post:
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if no to any one of the question.
Go play outside and the grown ups will call you when dinner is ready.

Cajun
Posted by Cmlsu5618
Destin, FL
Member since Sep 2010
3763 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 3:06 pm to
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LSU doesn't have a game changer on defense and special teams near Mathieu.


Mathieu was a great playmaker, no doubt. My favorite player of the Miles era... but Jamal is not far behind him.
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
12995 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 3:09 pm to
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No. LSU will likely only lose 2 starters. They will return Pocic, Hawkins, and Vadal. Will also have KJ Malone, 6-6/230 Jonah Austin, Brumfield, Boutte, and Dodd. We may take a step back but it won't be a big one.


Lose at least 4 if you include first two off the bench and Hawkins and Alexander may go. Most people didn't see turner leaving last season and he got drafted higher than most.

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Hunter and Rasco didn't do much in pressuring the QB this year anyway. They are great players no doubt, but their actual on-field production wont be hard to replace. Our DTs should be a huge improvement next year too.


Really? So the fact that both were huge overall playmakers you'll ignore because they didn't have huge sack numbers?

Hunter = 64 tackles, 12.5 tackles for loss, 1.5 sacks, 6 pass break ups, 6 passes defended, 1 forced fumble, 1 fumble recovery.

Rasco = 63 tackles, 6.5 tackles for loss, 4 sacks, 1 pass break up, 1 pass defended, 1 forced fumble, 1 fumble.

So horrible and no big losses, right?

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We likely won't lose both Jalen Collins and Mills.


Very possible both go.

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Jamal Adams is a monster. Dwayne Thomas will be back. Rickey Jefferson will likely be better. Ed Paris will get playing time. You still have White and maybe Robinson.


Again, you lose two major contributors and replace them with potential. Nothing is guaranteed.

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The last game against A&M likely gives us a glimpse into what plays we see called in the future. Much more spread and not as predictable. We saw how much more effective that was (even tho A&M's D sucks.)



Most teams aren't going to be as bad at defense as A&M. They fired their DC for a reason and while the offense looked better against them, that doesn't work half as well against any team with a decent defense.

It was nice to see the change, but sorry if I don't use A&M as a measuring stick for LSU's offensive improvement.

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Lol just no. Bama loses basically all of their offense. Same with Auburn. You have no idea what Florida will be but their is likely an adjustment period with a new coach. Arkansas should be improved but does lose some big time players on D. A&M should be improved also but we have them at home and always play well against them.


Bama loses significant players, but has proven they can reload. Auburn is losing a few, but has an offensive coach that gets what he can out of his talent. Florida will be better if just for the fact their offense can't be any worse. I love that LSU will get better, but UF will not.

Arky will be a question mark and lose some players, but they've shown continuous improvement on both sides of the ball and at QB (where LSU hasn't).
Posted by Geauxgurt
Member since Sep 2013
12995 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 3:14 pm to
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Mathieu was a great playmaker, no doubt. My favorite player of the Miles era... but Jamal is not far behind him.


I think Adams is going to be a great player, no doubt, but he's nowhere near Mathieu particularly with the natural instincts mathieu had from the start.

He will be a playmaker though.
Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
Member since Jul 2007
14969 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 3:15 pm to
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Should not regress in this area.


Hope with everything that this is true. We will see. A big part of me expects AJ to be the starter next year which I view as a huge negative on all kinds of levels. BUT, if he is a lot better then props to Miles for doing his job and getting a QB to play better.
Posted by Kracka
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 12/5/14 at 3:18 pm to
Sunshine pumpers really do ruin my day most times.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/5/14 at 3:18 pm to
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and our offense won't be as bad
We had the 4th ranked offense in the SEC in 2011. You honestly think our offense will be better than that next year? We are 10th this year.......
This post was edited on 12/5/14 at 3:19 pm
Posted by Choctaw
Pumpin' Sunshine
Member since Jul 2007
77774 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 3:20 pm to
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We had the 4th ranked offense in the SEC in 2011. You honestly think our offense will be better than that next year? We are 10th this year.......


Fournette will have us in the top 4 by himself
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2010
26340 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 3:25 pm to
My point about Florida not necessarily getting better was because they are going to have a new coaching staff. LSU will not.

The numbers for our DE's are good but they were not great. They can be replaced. And like I already said, improved play from our DTs will make up for their loss.

Jalen Collins is likely gone but not necessarily Mills.

You assume all these teams will improve yet LSU wont. I admit some of these teams will likely improve but I feel we are in great shape to withstand the potential losses.

Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
85225 posts
Posted on 12/5/14 at 3:25 pm to
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Really? If he didn't play during that dumpster fire we saw this year, what makes you so sure of this. AJ is the new JJ, the anointed one. 



I guess the only hope I have is we saw the coaches make a change earlier than ever without suspension or injury. Remember, JJ prob would never have started vs Arkansas in 2008 had Lee not been hurt. So that tells me they were at least willing to try. And if something with Harris clicks this off season, I don't see why the coaches wouldn't play him.
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