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re: Les Miles on Elliot Porter today...
Posted on 8/5/10 at 6:30 am to tigerguy121
Posted on 8/5/10 at 6:30 am to tigerguy121
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The only thing I care about is my POV
Well, that clears up this thread a lot.
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Posted on 8/5/10 at 7:00 am to Methuselah
As far as I can tell, the worst part of the whole situation is that Fordham and Porter will count against next year's class. That will be a punch in the gut come next NSD
Posted on 8/5/10 at 7:35 am to TigerFanNKaty
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How the hell do you know other schools don't do that, they sure as hell greyshirt and they sure has hell have to make some decisions that someone isn't going to be happy with.
Nick Saban cleaned house when he got to ALA...it's happens at every school.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 7:56 am to King Joey
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Are people seriously suggesting that Porter was unaware of the fact that LSU signed 27 players, or was unaware of the fact that there is limit of 25? The suggestion that any recruit at any school in the country that is part of a signing class bigger than 25 is caught "completely offguard" by the greyshirt situation is absolutely absurd. Do you think he wasn't capable of the math? He knew there was a possibility that two people would have to greyshirt. He never said that he was told he wouldn't be one of them. He found out that he was going to be one of them late in the game because no one knew that we would have to have two greyshirts until late in the game. And if he really was completely unaware of the greyshirting possibility (a claim he never made, by the way; he only claimed that he was not specifically warned personally about it ahead of time), then I am shocked he was able to academically qualify without the math skills to realize that 27>25.
exactly.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 7:58 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Why was Les supposed to tell a kid about a grayshirt in june-july when all reports were that they wouldn't need to grayshirt?
to avoid the fricking mess he's in now
it's the intelligent thing to do
hell, he should have told porter, and whichever other recruit would have been forced to GS, BEFORE THEY SIGNED THEIR LOI
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They did NOT know the situation the entire time.
i hope les isn't stupid enough to know that if all the kids qualified, some would have to GS
Posted on 8/5/10 at 8:00 am to Mickey Goldmill
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when you are given something free,
porter wasn't given something for "free"
he was offered an athletic scholarship by LSU in return for porter signing a binding LOI that eliminated other schools
both accepted the other's promise/conditions
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then its not really yours.
what?
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It is a privilege these kids are getting, not a right
these words have nothing to do with anything. you're just spouting off right wing radio phrases now
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He still has every option available to him
yeah he's not hindered at all by having to try and find a top school who still have a spot open, and even if he does, it's not like he's going to be behind the other kids of his class or anything
Posted on 8/5/10 at 8:02 am to King Joey
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He never said that he was told he wouldn't be one of them.
he was not told it was an option
the question is, "had porter known he was a GS possibility, would he have signed with LSU in the first place?"
the fact that LSU had to lie to him during his recruitment implies they didn't think he'd sign if they told him the truth
Posted on 8/5/10 at 8:03 am to Hot Carl
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His plan was to greyshirt somebody. Which he did.
apparently he didn't let the kids know this was a possibility when he was getting them to commit to LSU
Posted on 8/5/10 at 8:45 am to SlowFlowPro
Do you really expect every head coach to tell every recruit every year the possibility of a gray shirt?
And don't say they just shouldn't oversign. They are protecting themselves when someone doesn't qualify which almost always happens. Fluke year this year.
And don't say they just shouldn't oversign. They are protecting themselves when someone doesn't qualify which almost always happens. Fluke year this year.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 8:53 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Do you really expect every head coach to tell every recruit every year the possibility of a gray shirt?
no
just the kids who have the GS possibility
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And don't say they just shouldn't oversign.
i didn't say that
Posted on 8/5/10 at 8:59 am to SlowFlowPro
Look hindsight is great for you to cone on here and bash Miles. You can't always have everything planned out. The players that did qualify probably affected who he would gray shirt so he would have no idea who to tell of the possibility of having to gray shirt.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 9:12 am to Mickey Goldmill
I'd love to hear the whining if a 5 star recruit came in late in recruiting and Miles said, "no, we can't take you because we already have 25" BS! You take the best players and then shake it out after signing day. If you aren't one of the best of those 26 or 27 then you gotta grey shirt or leave, end of story. This is big time football people, its a buisness and tough decisions have to be made. Not only that but this situation probably helps PORTER more than anyone. He probably isn't ready to compete for a starting job. Count against next year, use that time to work out and make yourself better.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 10:43 am to JJ27
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Other schools might do this, but they don't tell a kid that's been working with the team all summer THE DAY BEFORE PRACTICE STARTS that he doesn't have a spot. Les supporters have always stood by him for being a standup guy. Well there goes the ONE thing he had going for him because this is a straight up douche move.
Do you know this for fact?? I am one usually to bash Miles for coaching decisions, but in this case I am not going to knock him without all the facts, & anyway, this shite probably happens at every school. I bet there isn't a school in the country where you couldn't find an athlete, probably several from certain schools, who have had similar situations, likely a lot worse.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 12:49 pm to SlowFlowPro
Can somebody link me to a site where Porter said he wasn't told anything prior to the last couple of days? Or to a site saying he said he told them earlier he wouldn't redshirt (ie: had a conversation earlier with them about it).
I've seen both seemingly contradictory allegations on here but haven't seen links on either.
Thanks.
I've seen both seemingly contradictory allegations on here but haven't seen links on either.
Thanks.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 12:54 pm to SlowFlowPro
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just the kids who have the GS possibility
what if it wasn't a possibility? i mean frick, like a week ago the two greyshirts/walkons were going to be fordham and wing.
it was all wrapped up nicely and then wing somehow got cleared. this is really an NCAA issue IMO, if they weren't lazy fricks and could clear kids in a reasonable amount of time it wouldn't ever be an issue.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 1:01 pm to bmy
Maybe this has been answered but I'm not sure. And, I have no idea. Since Porter signed his letter of intent and it was accepted by the school, does he have an ability to force LSU to honor it? Does he have any recourse? Could he just say no and make LSU honor the scholorship?
Posted on 8/5/10 at 1:04 pm to bmy
Has anyone considered that the coachs don't know how attrition or juniors leaving might affect the scholly limit? The coaches might have thought they had the numbers down when not as many players left as expected. Now, we've had a lot of players leave this summer so they were obviously trying to make the numbers work.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 1:07 pm to south bama tiger
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Has anyone considered that the coachs don't know how attrition or juniors leaving might affect the scholly limit? The coaches might have thought they had the numbers down when not as many players left as expected. Now, we've had a lot of players leave this summer so they were obviously trying to make the numbers work.
this has nothing to do with the scholarship limit. LSU is at like 82 scholarships with a limit of 85. this has to do with the amount of students who can enroll at one time IIRC
Posted on 8/5/10 at 1:13 pm to bmy
Booohooo, enroll as a a walk-on, get your scholly in january and quit the crying. Sorry son, that is life, and you have been dealt a better hand than the majority of the nation with the offer that you have at hand with LSU
Posted on 8/5/10 at 1:14 pm to Linkovich
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Maybe this has been answered but I'm not sure. And, I have no idea. Since Porter signed his letter of intent and it was accepted by the school, does he have an ability to force LSU to honor it? Does he have any recourse? Could he just say no and make LSU honor the scholorship?
There's a link on one of these Porter threads to an article about Nat'l Letters of Intent. I think the posters name was lsurazy (or similar).
An LOI protects LSU's interests, not the recruit's. It doesn't sound like EP has any recourse (No offense to SFP and his breach of contract argument). He requested a release and LSU granted it. If they wanted to be real assholes, they could have refused or granted a qualified release (which would be monumentally stupid, IMO)
Porter needs to either accept the grayshirt offer, become a preferred walk-on like Fordham, or find another program that has space available.
Linkovich: Check page 7 of this thread. Link posted by lsurazy @ 9:53pm last night.
This post was edited on 8/5/10 at 1:21 pm
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