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re: Les Miles on Elliot Porter today...
Posted on 8/5/10 at 12:08 am to Mickey Goldmill
Posted on 8/5/10 at 12:08 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Get over it.
It's been 1 day.
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Posted on 8/5/10 at 12:08 am to JJ27
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So you'd be cool if you showed up to school your freshman year as a regular student and they told you, "Sorry...you don't have a scholarship here anymore. You can either not go to school this semester or you can pay out of your pocket. If you want, you can come back in January. Yeah, sorry if you could've gone to another school on scholarship. shite happens, oh well."
Did I say the recruits should be happy about it? I know I wouldn't be. But at the same time, I would understand that kind of thing happens. I would get whatever information together I needed and make the best decision moving forward. Also, you are leaving out the fact that they can still transfer if given their release..and not miss anytime.
Also, all this feeling sad for these guys who are getting a complete free ride to getting a degree is funny. Some people had to bust arse in high school to be able to go to college, not just by playing football.
This post was edited on 8/5/10 at 12:11 am
Posted on 8/5/10 at 12:20 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Also, all this feeling sad for these guys who are getting a complete free ride to getting a degree is funny.
well according to Les, Porter isn't getting a free ride.
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Some people had to bust arse in high school to be able to go to college, not just by playing football.
Because they work hard at sports and offer a unique advantage to the school. Some people also work hard and got academic scholarships too. And if LSU waited till 3 weeks before school started to pull it, I'd think that was shitty.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 12:24 am to tigerguy121
Why did you ignore my entire first paragraph? That was the meat and potatoes of the post.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 12:26 am to tigerguy121
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Some people also work hard and got academic scholarships too. And if LSU waited till 3 weeks before school started to pull it, I'd think that was shitty.
Know anything about TOPS? Its not guaranteed. You are told "in the case of a budget shortfall, your funds may not be available to you."
Once again, shite happens.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 12:26 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Why did you ignore my entire first paragraph? That was the meat and potatoes of the post.
cause thats what you would do if you were porter. I'm not Porter and don't seek to look at this from his POV. The only thing I care about is my POV and from the view Les, and the staff, did him dirty.
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I love this line though
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Also, you are leaving out the fact that they can still transfer if given their release..and not miss anytime.
After being told there is no scholarship for them, players in Porter's situation still have to ask for a release to go whereever they want. What a way to screw over the kids
This post was edited on 8/5/10 at 12:30 am
Posted on 8/5/10 at 12:27 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Know anything about TOPS? Its not guaranteed. You are told "in the case of a budget shortfall, your funds may not be available to you."
any other scholarships available besides TOPS??
Posted on 8/5/10 at 12:28 am to tigerguy121
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cause thats what you would do if you were porter. I'm not Porter and don't seek to look at this from his POV. The only thing I care about is my POV and from the view Les, and the staff, did him dirty.
WTF? Isn't that the whole point of this? Looking out for the kid? Then you say lets disregard how it looks from his point of view. You sir are a joke.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 12:31 am to tigerguy121
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any other scholarships available besides TOPS??
Point? IMO, when you are given something free, or told you are getting something free, then its not really yours. If you get it great, but if not who are you to bitch about it?
It is a privilege these kids are getting, not a right. He still has every option available to him, except one now.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 12:32 am to Mickey Goldmill
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WTF? Isn't that the whole point of this? Looking out for the kid? Then you say lets disregard how it looks from his point of view. You sir are a joke
The point is to say that pulling a scholarship on August 4, is bullshite and dirty.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 12:37 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Point? IMO, when you are given something free, or told you are getting something free, then its not really yours.
These things aren't free. They are trade offs. You think LSU doesn't earn their money back on football scholarships??
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but if not who are you to bitch about it?
your the kid that had a bright football future who now has to scramble for a spot to land at.
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It is a privilege these kids are getting, not a right. He still has every option available to him, except one now.
yeah the one that the coaching staff promised him he would have.
You are being stupid. This isn't some budget shortfall that could not have been avoided.
Les and staff knew the situation the entire time. They didn't have to take more kids than they had space for. They didn't have to wait till August to put Porter on notice for the greyshirt.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 12:50 am to tigerguy121
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Les and staff knew the situation the entire time. They didn't have to take more kids than they had space for. They didn't have to wait till August to put Porter on notice for the greyshirt.
Dude you need to wake up. This happens everywhere.
Why was Les supposed to tell a kid about a grayshirt in june-july when all reports were that they wouldn't need to grayshirt?
They did NOT know the situation the entire time.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 12:55 am to Mickey Goldmill
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They did NOT know the situation the entire time.
Then tell him that. Tell him of the possibilities.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 1:00 am to tigerguy121
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Then tell him that. Tell him of the possibilities.
He doesn't have any responsibility here?
Posted on 8/5/10 at 2:40 am to LSUMafia
quote:Are people seriously suggesting that Porter was unaware of the fact that LSU signed 27 players, or was unaware of the fact that there is limit of 25? The suggestion that any recruit at any school in the country that is part of a signing class bigger than 25 is caught "completely offguard" by the greyshirt situation is absolutely absurd. Do you think he wasn't capable of the math? He knew there was a possibility that two people would have to greyshirt. He never said that he was told he wouldn't be one of them. He found out that he was going to be one of them late in the game because no one knew that we would have to have two greyshirts until late in the game. And if he really was completely unaware of the greyshirting possibility (a claim he never made, by the way; he only claimed that he was not specifically warned personally about it ahead of time), then I am shocked he was able to academically qualify without the math skills to realize that 27>25.
This staff new since signing day that they were going to have to grayshirt two kids if everyone qualified. If they did not have any kids agree to it, then they should have told the two kids they were going to force to grayshirt, if push came to shove THEN that its their choice to take that potential option or go elsewhere.
What is hilarious to me is if another coach does exactly the same thing except that he doesn't even give him the option to greyshirt but rather just cuts him completely from the team, he gets lauded for his "team management" for handling the exact same situation in an even worse way.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 2:48 am to JJ27
quote:Obviously I would if I made the clear and deliberate choice to go to that school knowing there was absolutely a chance I wouldn't get the scholarship. Porter knew that at least two of the guys who signed were not going to be scholarship players this fall. He was as aware of this as Miles was. And yet he (according to the bashers) never once had a single conversation about the issue with any of the coaches at any point over the nearly six months that he has known about the issue.
o you'd be cool if you showed up to school your freshman year as a regular student and they told you, "Sorry...you don't have a scholarship here anymore. You can either not go to school this semester or you can pay out of your pocket. If you want, you can come back in January. Yeah, sorry if you could've gone to another school on scholarship. shite happens, oh well."
Posted on 8/5/10 at 2:52 am to tigerguy121
quote:Tell a major Division 1 FBS prospect that is fully academically qualified that there is a 25 scholarship limit in each recruiting class? Seriously?
Then tell him that. Tell him of the possibilities.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 3:13 am to tigerguy121
quote:How exactly did they know the clearinghouse result of all 27 signees back in February? That is what you are claiming, you know. You are insisting that somehow, magically, months before even the NCAA Clearinghouse knew, Miles and his staff somehow knew that all 27 players would qualify and deliberately chose to do nothing about it until now, which by pure coincidence just happens to be right after the Clearinghouse has notified them of the status of all their signees. But that had absolutely nothign to do with it because Miles already knew that all along, right?
Les and staff knew the situation the entire time.
No, Miles knew what everyone else -- including Porter -- knew all along; that there was very little chance of all 27 signees qualifying, but if they did two players would have to make alternate arrangements. It didn't look like that would be necessary until just recently, so there was no action taken on it until just recently.
Of course, the real reason anyone is talking about this is because some jackass sports reporter decided to make a hit piece out of a common practice of college football coaches, and chose Miles to be the subject. I don't know who the reporter was, but if he had bothered to ask any of the other hundreds of greyshirts throughout the country throughout history he would have found a shitload more of them who were pissed about it. But instead, he chose to talk to only one greyshirt from only one school, and then blast that coach as if it never happens anywhere else.
THAT is the douche move in this situation.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 3:47 am to King Joey
it's the fact that by signing all 27 Miles should have had a plan incase all 27 did qualify. Miles clearly did not.
Posted on 8/5/10 at 6:23 am to Acreboy
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it's the fact that by signing all 27 Miles should have had a plan incase all 27 did qualify. Miles clearly did not.
Of course he did. His plan was to greyshirt somebody. Which he did.
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