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re: Les Miles lawsuit vs LSU - (link to court docs inside). Very interesting.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:06 am to mdomingue
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:06 am to mdomingue
The Defendants are LSU, the NCAA, and the College Football Hall of Fame.
The equitable relief Miles seeks is an equitable injunction directing the Defendants to rescind the portion of the decision that vacates the wins and forbids recognition of the vacated wins for purposes of determining Miles’s eligibility for the College Football Hall of Fame, and further directing Defendants not to interfere with any nomination of Miles for acceptance into the College Football Hall of Fame.
The declaratory relief Miles seeks is a declaratory judgment:
(1) declaring that Miles is eligible for nomination to the College Football Hall of Fame;
(2) declaring that the vacated wins shall be considered wins for purposes of determining Miles’s eligibility for nomination and admission to the College Football Hall of Fame;
(3) declaring that any agreement between or among Defendants not to consider the vacated wins in determining Miles's eligibility for nomination and admission to the College Football Hall of Fame or for any other honor is void and unenforceable; and
(4) declaring that any agreement between or among Defendants to prevent or hinder any nonparty from considering the vacated wins in determining Miles's eligibility for nomination to the College Football Hall of Fame or for any other honor is void and unenforceable.
The equitable relief Miles seeks is an equitable injunction directing the Defendants to rescind the portion of the decision that vacates the wins and forbids recognition of the vacated wins for purposes of determining Miles’s eligibility for the College Football Hall of Fame, and further directing Defendants not to interfere with any nomination of Miles for acceptance into the College Football Hall of Fame.
The declaratory relief Miles seeks is a declaratory judgment:
(1) declaring that Miles is eligible for nomination to the College Football Hall of Fame;
(2) declaring that the vacated wins shall be considered wins for purposes of determining Miles’s eligibility for nomination and admission to the College Football Hall of Fame;
(3) declaring that any agreement between or among Defendants not to consider the vacated wins in determining Miles's eligibility for nomination and admission to the College Football Hall of Fame or for any other honor is void and unenforceable; and
(4) declaring that any agreement between or among Defendants to prevent or hinder any nonparty from considering the vacated wins in determining Miles's eligibility for nomination to the College Football Hall of Fame or for any other honor is void and unenforceable.
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:12 am to JimTiger72
Miles always had an ego. It's why he never changed his offensive philosophy to adapt to the times. I'm sure cuts deep for him on a personal level.
This board thinks Miles is a moron. His persona certainly gave that away. He was not a moron though. You do not achieve the sustained success he had at LSU without coaching.
He had flaws like every coach did...it's just that it seemed to really amplify itself at the worst times. Miles was an elite talent recruiter probably second only to Saban at his time at LSU. Talent/Recruiting is 50% of college football so you can't take that away from him. He wasn't the greatest coach - or even good at times - but he was not a "moron".
This board thinks Miles is a moron. His persona certainly gave that away. He was not a moron though. You do not achieve the sustained success he had at LSU without coaching.
He had flaws like every coach did...it's just that it seemed to really amplify itself at the worst times. Miles was an elite talent recruiter probably second only to Saban at his time at LSU. Talent/Recruiting is 50% of college football so you can't take that away from him. He wasn't the greatest coach - or even good at times - but he was not a "moron".
This post was edited on 6/19/24 at 11:14 am
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:22 am to The Mick
quote:
basically LSU/NCAA were investigating basketball and football at same time. There were 6-7 violations cited with only 1 being for football and it was a lower level one. Miles was not directly implicated while Wade and staff were directly involved in theirs.
There were 3 football violations being alleged. Only 1 of them occurred during Miles’ tenure, but there were more than 1 violation.
Calling the one that occurred during Miles’ tenure a “lower level violation” is a generous interpretation, at best. At worst, it’s downright laughable. It was certainly the most significant football violation under investigation.
Miles’ argument seems to be that he didn’t know about the OLOL scandal, he wasn’t involved, and that it wasn’t uncovered by LSU until after he left. Therefore, he shouldn’t be punished by having his wins vacated. …Good luck with that.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:25 am to RobbBobb
quote:Damn you're dumb. He had those QBs for two years. In the first year, Miles developed one QB, and by the end of the year, he was drafted #1 based on his potential. In the second year, the other QB won a National Championship and was the BCS MVP.
He had the #1 NFL drafted QB, plus the BCS MVP QB as a result of Saban and Jimbo. The year they were both gone from LSU, Miles dropped to 5 losses. Both of those coaches also produced NCAA champs and Heisman QBs elsewhere
quote:Miles went to a run-first offense because one QB missed the first four games, and the other QB had a history of being an interceptiopalooza. Even with those difficulties at QB, Miles took LSU to an undefeated regular season, to an SECCG blowout, and to the national championship game.
* He then went to a run first-offense that floundered until he was forced to start a QB due to his starters arrest. That team then went undefeated, until Miles re-inserted the arrested QB. LSU then became the only team in the championship game to score ZERO points
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:27 am to The Mick
So who owns the wins/losses -- the coach or the institution? If he wasn't allowed due process as former coach, I can see his argument.
Frankly, it does seem like the scapegoated him. Why did they vacate three season of football wins for one Level II infraction, and didn't vacate any basketball wins for for three Level I violations, two Level II violations, and one Level III violation?
Give him his wins back and vacate the basketball wins for those seasons.
Frankly, it does seem like the scapegoated him. Why did they vacate three season of football wins for one Level II infraction, and didn't vacate any basketball wins for for three Level I violations, two Level II violations, and one Level III violation?
Give him his wins back and vacate the basketball wins for those seasons.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:29 am to The Mick
It is kind of shitty for Les that LSU basically said:
"We're sorry we got caught cheating in basketball and you found a rogue football booster... here just take these wins away."
"We're sorry we got caught cheating in basketball and you found a rogue football booster... here just take these wins away."
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:30 am to JimTiger72
The bar for the HOF is pretty low if you can get in with an average record of 7-5 over 9 seasons. I mean that’s good for a lot of programs and not easy to do but it doesn’t sound HOF worthy. Maybe they are just trying to keep guys like Coach O out that found lightning in a bottle?
Either way Les isn’t HOF worthy imo. I would hope the committee that ultimately decides who gets in would realize that, even if he gets those wins back.
Either way Les isn’t HOF worthy imo. I would hope the committee that ultimately decides who gets in would realize that, even if he gets those wins back.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:33 am to The Mick
Miles should have been fired after he squandered all that talent in 2006. If he hadn't had a horse shoe up his arse in 2007, he would have been gone a lot sooner.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:35 am to Salviati
I hope he wins.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:39 am to The Mick
This is a frivolous lawsuit. This petition looks like it was drafted by a non-lawyer. This is stupid
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:40 am to ChatGPT of LA
quote:
He was carried by talent and others around him
I hate to break it to you, but the majority of head coaches are carried by talent and coaches around them.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:43 am to The Mick
I know it's not required under FRCP or LaCCP but anytime I see a pleading that isn't justified I get irrationally angry and think lesser of the lawyer who drafted said pleading 
Even more frustrating, half of the petition is justified and half isn't. BE CONSISTENT for crying out loud
Even more frustrating, half of the petition is justified and half isn't. BE CONSISTENT for crying out loud
This post was edited on 6/19/24 at 11:46 am
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:52 am to PP7 for heisman
TIL that it’s LSU’s fault that Miles went 3-18 at Kansas
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:56 am to WDAIII
quote:Clearly, it's not frivolous.
This is a frivolous lawsuit.
quote:First, it's a pretty standard looking complaint. Second, Moskowitz Colson Ginsberg & Schulman is the perfect firm for this lawsuit. They handle NCAA litigation, sports litigation, and civil rights litigation, all of which are involved in this case.
This petition looks like it was drafted by a non-lawyer.
quote:
This is stupid
Posted on 6/19/24 at 11:59 am to Salviati
quote:
Show me all of the coaches who had double-digit wins in seven out of eleven seasons. Show me all of the coaches who have a natty and two natty game appearances.
This will be pretty easy to do in the post-Nick Saban era.
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:02 pm to The Mick
I hope he wins.
He probably won’t win so if I were LSU, I would just let him take a default judgment against me.
He probably won’t win so if I were LSU, I would just let him take a default judgment against me.
This post was edited on 6/19/24 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:06 pm to Tiger in Gatorland
quote:Great question. Can't help but think Miles has a solid basis for this action, but again - there are two sides to every argument so I'm curious to hear LSU's response.
Why did they vacate three season of football wins for one Level II infraction, and didn't vacate any basketball wins for for three Level I violations, two Level II violations, and one Level III violation?
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Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:10 pm to The Mick
Les deserves to have his wins back
Wiretap Willy’s bitch arse did nothing good for LSU
Wiretap Willy’s bitch arse did nothing good for LSU
This post was edited on 6/19/24 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:11 pm to ChatGPT of LA
Summary of Will Wade’s undoing at LSU-you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes!
Posted on 6/19/24 at 12:12 pm to Salviati
It's based on the false assumption that Miles would be a sure bet hall of famer with those wins. That's frivolous.
As far as standard petition reference, any Joe Blow can Google a petition, download it, and plug in facts. Just because it cites the basis of jurisdiction does not make it a well drafted petition
As far as the law firm, a fancy name and merely claiming on the website that they are experts does not make them experts and does not establish their credibility
As far as standard petition reference, any Joe Blow can Google a petition, download it, and plug in facts. Just because it cites the basis of jurisdiction does not make it a well drafted petition
As far as the law firm, a fancy name and merely claiming on the website that they are experts does not make them experts and does not establish their credibility
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