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re: Les Miles 7-5 in his 4th season, with a bowl ......
Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:21 pm to Come2Conquer
Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:21 pm to Come2Conquer
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As far as I can tell, no one that Miles recruited has stepped up in a leadership role. I think that's partially because many of them aren't in a position too yet, but perhaps you're right. Perhaps Saban was better at identifying leaders than Miles is.
Character isn't limited to off the field, and does include leadership ability (it can be leadership by example). A person's character and discipline include on-the-field issues as well. Yes, plenty of Miles recruits were in a position this year to step up and take leadership positions, and that was one of the major problems, none of them did that.
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Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:23 pm to ellessuuuu
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I am asking, who are the good ones from the Miles era?
Yes, what Alem did Friday was selfish and stupid and believe it or not that reflects on a person's character and over all discipline.
I also pointed out that there were problems during Saban's time here, but they didn't last long. I pointed out specifically the Damien James incident.
I'm trying to be fair please name the people that I have missed from Miles' era?
No sir...you can't hold Alem to that standard. In case you didn't realize, he's been the one bright spot on the defense (consistently) this year. Albeit stupid, his actions were very possibly the result of a season full of frustration...at least just as much as they can be credited to character/discipline issues.
I didn't say you missed anyone/anything from either Miles'/Saban's tenure here. Still, you've not provided anything beyond your own theory about the issue. I wouldn't have taken umbrage with anything you'd said had you not presented it as cannon.
Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:24 pm to Come2Conquer
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Boy, that armchair must be comfy as all get-out!
It is, and from this vantage point, I can clearly see that the man has no business in the SEC.
Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:24 pm to ellessuuuu
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Character isn't limited to off the field, and does include leadership ability (it can be leadership by example). A person's character and discipline include on-the-field issues as well. Yes, plenty of Miles recruits were in a position this year to step up and take leadership positions, and that was one of the major problems, none of them did that.
I'm acquainted with plenty of people who are of high moral fiber, yet are not (in any sense of the word) leaders. The two are not tacitly dependent on each other.
Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:25 pm to Come2Conquer
Thats good don't hold the player accountable for his lack of discipline on the field, instead make excuses for him. That seems to be what coaching staff is doing as well.
You can be a good leader or have leadership ability without saying a word. I don't mean they need to be vocal leaders on the team, but strictly be an example.
You can be a good leader or have leadership ability without saying a word. I don't mean they need to be vocal leaders on the team, but strictly be an example.
This post was edited on 12/3/08 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:26 pm to MemphisJerk
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It is, and from this vantage point, I can clearly see that the man has no business in the SEC.
If I had the ability, I'd put you in touch with the AD so you could share your high-powered perception with him in order to effect some changes in the LSU football coaching hierarchy.
Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:27 pm to ellessuuuu
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Thats good don't hold the player accountable for his lack of discipline on the field, instead make excuses for him. That seems to be what coaching staff is doing as
If anything, Alem has show great discipline on the field this year. One mistake does not a scoundrel make.
Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:27 pm to ellessuuuu
ciron black has low character? lafell? johnson? helms? hitt? jackson? you're claiming that there are zero character guys on this football team?
alem's penalty is selfish and stupid but Hester gets in a shoving match on the Bama sideline for a personal foul and he's a great leader? I guess we won that game so his penalty doesn't count.
you're being about as onesided on this as possible and to claim that there are zero quality young men on this football team that none of them are of good character is pretty fricking disgusting and a flat out lie.
If you hate miles fine, hate miles all day. there is no need to attack the character of the young men on this football team.
alem's penalty is selfish and stupid but Hester gets in a shoving match on the Bama sideline for a personal foul and he's a great leader? I guess we won that game so his penalty doesn't count.
you're being about as onesided on this as possible and to claim that there are zero quality young men on this football team that none of them are of good character is pretty fricking disgusting and a flat out lie.
If you hate miles fine, hate miles all day. there is no need to attack the character of the young men on this football team.
Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:28 pm to ellessuuuu
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His players like: Flynn, Dorsey, Hester, Doucet, Steltz, Jackson...oh wait those weren't his players.
I'm sorry...was someone else the head coach of those players for 3 years that I don't know about? Dude, Saban was the like the "birth parent" who exited those kids lives after they were born. Miles "raised" them. Any achievements they have can be credited directly and solely to him.
Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:29 pm to Come2Conquer
You're right and I hope he ends up being a great player and a team leader b/c he defintely has the talent.
But the fact of the matter is that in the 12th game of the season he made a selfish, undisciplined mistake that very well may have cost his team the game. That is the sign of a lack of discipline, now whether you put that on the player or coaching staff is up to you.
But the fact of the matter is that in the 12th game of the season he made a selfish, undisciplined mistake that very well may have cost his team the game. That is the sign of a lack of discipline, now whether you put that on the player or coaching staff is up to you.
Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:30 pm to Skillet
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I've always thought the 4th season was a pretty good way to judge a head coach, because he's coaching the players that he's recruited, except for maybe a couple of guys
This is a very narrow view of the situation.
Your premise makes sense if you think that talent has fallen off since Miles took the program...and thus was the problem this year.
I think only an idiot would come to that conclusion. LSU's problem is two-fold. #1, Miles made a bad DC hire. #2, LSU suspended it's SEC ready QB and was left without a viable QB option.
#1 is in the process of getting fixed. #2 is likely to fix itself on it's own.
Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:30 pm to Come2Conquer
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If I had the ability, I'd put you in touch with the AD so you could share your high-powered perception with him in order to effect some changes in the LSU football coaching hierarchy.
Do me a favor and go ask any 100 college football analysts outside of the state of LA if they think Les Miles is a *great* coach. Be honest with yourself, how many do you think would say yes?
Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:31 pm to ellessuuuu
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I also pointed out that there were problems during Saban's time here, but they didn't last long. I pointed out specifically the Damien James incident.
And I'll bring up and irrelavent point...Saban recruited Plaxico Burress to Michigan State, am I correct? So to say that Saban is a recuiter of high character guys, while Miles is not, is just ignorant and impossible to know.
Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:31 pm to MemphisJerk
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I can clearly see that the man has no business in the SEC.
Considering our last three years, that might be the dumbest thing I have heard today.
Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:32 pm to drexyl
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ciron black has low character? lafell? johnson? helms? hitt? jackson? you're claiming that there are zero character guys on this football team?
I agree, and I would even throw Beckwith in that mix, but which one of these guys in a tough season stepped up into a leadership role (maybe I should have clarified, but I consider leadership as part of a players overall character). I'm not saying all of Miles' players are thugs, but either for lack of development or lack of ability none of these players stepped up when there was an opportunity to take a leadership position this year.
This post was edited on 12/3/08 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:35 pm to MemphisJerk
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Do me a favor and go ask any 100 college football analysts outside of the state of LA if they think Les Miles is a *great* coach. Be honest with yourself, how many do you think would say yes?
Good-frickin'-grief! You don't even remember what you wrote, do you?
I'm sure that not many of them would say Miles is a "great" coach. I'm sure not many of them would agree with your original assertion (!) that he's "average at best" either.
Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:35 pm to Rza32
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forgot to include our QB situation & Co-DC fiasco as mitigating factors
is this not Miles fault
The DC situation is certainly his fault but it has nothing to do with the year 4 premise or the premise that the lack of success is due to the players Miles is bringing in.
Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:38 pm to ellessuuuu
quote:bottom line this is about wins and losses, we lost 5 games so you assume there are no leaders on the football team. This is why Alem's penalty is selfish, stupid and irrefutable evidence of a lack of character but Hester's penalty is completely overlooked and he is heralded as one of the great leaders of the Saban regime. You nor I have any idea of the interactions on that football team and who really stepped up as a leader and who didn't. And now you're taking the opportunity to kick them while they're down and paint them as individuals of little or no character all out of your own petty frustration over 5 lost football games.
I'm not saying all of Miles' players are thugs, but either for lack of development or lack of ability none of these players stepped up when there was an opportunity to take a leadership position this year.
This post was edited on 12/3/08 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:42 pm to Come2Conquer
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Besides your obvious swipe at Miles vis-a-vis the Dinardo reference (which negated your presumptive criteria in the first place), you also promptly forgot to include our QB situation & Co-DC fiasco as mitigating factors.
And who exactly promoted those DCs to begin with? I guess that isn't Miles fault either.
Posted on 12/3/08 at 1:42 pm to moneyg
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The DC situation is certainly his fault
Certainly. I think he is a good enough coach to see and rectify this.
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