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re: Les and 5 for 5
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:34 am to Tiger Voodoo
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:34 am to Tiger Voodoo
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The bottom line is the standard of talent never really dropped off under Miles. The problem was that the standard at Alabama simply took off far beyond what LSU or anyone else was bringing in every single year.
this isn't even about alabama
2013
L Ole Miss 24-27
2014
L Miss St 29-34
L Aub 7-41
L Ark 0-17
2015
L Ark 14-31
L Ole Miss 17-38
You don't lose these games because you are only missing a QB
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Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:55 am to Lester Earl
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this isn't even about alabama
You love to say context matters, right?
Arkansas and Ole Miss giving LSU fits is nothing new or unique to Miles. And given the unique and suspect level of talent in Oxford during that stretch and the way Bert built the Razorbacks and when we faced them in that time while we were rebuilding after massive losses to the NFL from 2011-2013 those losses are even less conspicuous.
Pointing to losses in those games as proof of some sort of roster mismanagement while ignoring our success against Florida and Auburn in that same stretch is disingenuous.
The 14 season was a well documented anomaly in the SEC with Alabama Auburn Mississippi State and Ole Miss all fielding top 5 caliber teams in the same season, one in which we were rebuilding after huge departures to the NFL. And yes, Jennings against MSU and Harris against Auburn were absolutely enough to lose those games in the fashion we did.
The Arkansas game in 14 and the OM Ark meltdown in 15 absolutely was “about Alabama” and the huge emotional and mental letdowns immediately after those physical games. They were the constant elephant in the room for years, and the failure to bounce back from the Bama game against those good teams the last two seasons led to his essential firing in November of 15.
Rallying a team after tough losses is much easier when you have a QB that can inspire confidence and be relied on. Obviously that wasn’t the case with Jennings or Harris.
Since 2011 this was Miles’ record against our permanent opponents when he was being ousted that November:
Florida: 3-1
Auburn: 3-1
A&M: 3-0
MSU: 3-1
OM: 2-2
Ark: 2-2
Alabama: 0-4
So yes, it was “about Alabama”. Everything in the media and fanbase revolved around Saban and their dynasty post 1/9.
That was the framework that showed Miles’ time was done and trying to assert that it was because our talent was not up to “LSU standards” anywhere other than QB just isn’t accurate.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 12:08 pm to Gus007
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I never respected him from the first game against Tennessee. We had a big half-time lead and he sat on the ball until they caught, tied, then beat us.
There is always that guy.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 1:25 pm to Lester Earl
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You don't lose these games because you are only missing a QB
As a preliminary matter, the 2013 Ole Miss lost was squarely on our quarterback's shoulders. You don't win many games by throwing three picks.
For your main point, we lost eighteen (18) players in the 2013 and 2014 NFL Drafts, many of them underclassmen. For those seasons we actually were missing much more than "only a QB." Or do you want to go on record as saying that we wouldn't have beaten those teams with Beckham, Landry, and Hill?
Posted on 8/5/20 at 3:28 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Without even addressing the merits of any of that, even if true, this:
if true? it is widely known if you watched games he took over in 2010 and crowton was a lame duck that year. hell a former LSU o lineman told us we were going to milesball after JJ could not run GC's offense correctly in 2009. he was spot on because we saw it.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 3:40 pm to Gus007
We will know more at the end of this season . Right ???
Posted on 8/5/20 at 4:12 pm to chilge2
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For your main point, we lost eighteen (18) players in the 2013 and 2014 NFL Drafts, many of them underclassmen. For those seasons we actually were missing much more than "only a QB." Or do you want to go on record as saying that we wouldn't have beaten those teams with Beckham, Landry, and Hill?
You are proving my point for me.
Early Miles teams plugged drafted studs in with other young up and coming studs. The same way LSU 2020 will do after last season.
That's how great programs are built. And as Miles went on, he slipped up on that. Some position groups remained strong(RB, DB), but many position groups thinned out because they didn't have that next guy up. Or in some cases, like DL, couldn’t develop top tier players.
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As a preliminary matter, the 2013 Ole Miss lost was squarely on our quarterback's shoulders. Y
Other than the 525 yds of total offense Ole Miss put up, yea.
This post was edited on 8/5/20 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 8/5/20 at 4:49 pm to msully
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We will know more at the end of this season . Right ???
Certainly, if we have a season.
Playing 10 conference games will put us in uncharted territory.
I like our chances.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 4:58 pm to Lester Earl
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Early Miles teams plugged drafted studs in with other young up and coming studs. The same way LSU 2020 will do after last season.
The underclassmen exodus after the CBA was a novel experience. We went from recruiting to fill gaps left by fourth and fifth-year players to third year players. It screwed up the roster. You don't expect your next man up to be a true or redshift freshman. Or at least you didn't in 2005.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 5:09 pm to chilge2
I wouldn’t call it novel as it’s never really stopped.
LSU just has recruited better.
In 2014 there was a record of early entrants, 98.
It’s Steadily gone up. In 2019 there were 111, a record.
That 98 in 2014 had already been broken multiple times just in a handful of years,
LSU just has recruited better.
In 2014 there was a record of early entrants, 98.
It’s Steadily gone up. In 2019 there were 111, a record.
That 98 in 2014 had already been broken multiple times just in a handful of years,
Posted on 8/5/20 at 5:41 pm to LNCHBOX
Yeah, no one should complain about the offensive plays in 2007. Until 2019, 2007 had the funnest LSU offense I can remember.
Posted on 8/5/20 at 9:39 pm to JohnnyU
quote:Not even in 2007 after he won the SECC?
I never loved Les
Not even in 2007 after he beat OSU fir the BCS-NC?
Not even in 2011 after he beat Bama & Saint Nicky's asses in Tuscaloosa on National TV in the Game of the Century?
Not even in 2011 after he beat UGA in ATL for another SECC & officially cemented a spot in yet another BCS Title Game?
DAMN my man, u really must be one miserable SOB huh? Not sure you qualify to be an LSU Fan my man!
Posted on 8/5/20 at 10:35 pm to RightWingTiger
Time for everyone to move on.
Les was a great coach who represented the school well.
Wasnt able to sustain greatness and lost some program defining games to the likes of Clemson, notre dame, and wisconsin.
Was time for les and the program to move on.
He left a talented group of players and a good culture for o to build on.
Les was a great coach who represented the school well.
Wasnt able to sustain greatness and lost some program defining games to the likes of Clemson, notre dame, and wisconsin.
Was time for les and the program to move on.
He left a talented group of players and a good culture for o to build on.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 8:27 am to Gus007
I agree with this. That game was a portent of what would follow.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 8:51 am to KTiger85
I liked Les. But his stuborness in refusing to alter "his" offense in any way led to his demise. His hard head meant at best LSU was playing for 2nd in the West every year because LSU needed a world beating O-line every year to ram it down Bama's throat.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 8:58 am to LSU0358
Miles' greatest trait became his liability: loyalty. He instilled in his players a desire to "run through a wall" for him and let his loyalty to his coaches, and maybe certain players to a degree, affect his decision-making regarding running the offense, program, etc.
Still, I enjoyed his coaching - till the end.
Just my opinion.
Still, I enjoyed his coaching - till the end.
Just my opinion.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 10:24 am to LSUStar
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I agree with this. That game was a portent of what would follow.
114-34
2 SEC Championships
1 NC
Portent indeed
Posted on 8/6/20 at 10:40 am to Lester Earl
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I wouldn’t call it novel as it’s never really stopped. LSU just has recruited better.
Novel as in it has never been seen before or since. We lost ELEVEN underclassmen in 2012. That's the most in school history. We lost nearly as many third year players in 2012-13 as we did in the next five years combined.
2012 - 11
2013 - 6
2014 - 3
2015 - 2
2016 - 4
2017 - 7
2018 - 3
2019 - 9
Your argument is shite.
Posted on 8/6/20 at 10:58 am to chilge2
Your years are off but anyway it plays right into the point I’m making. Miles had years to repair that. His planning sucked. His roster construction sucked. It wasn’t until he & O co-authored the 2017 class that it returned to normal. I don’t feel sorry for him one bit
Posted on 8/6/20 at 12:00 pm to KTiger85
Les slept walked through much of his tenure at LSU. He got very lucky in 2007.
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