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re: Legit Replacement Candidates for Les Miles

Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:48 am to
Posted by Jtigers99
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Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:48 am to
Coaches in my opinion who should be the next LSU coach. I have personally scouted these coaches over the years.

Kevin Sumlin
Ron Zook
Wade Phillips
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:48 am to
I would always rather get an up and comer than an "established" coach who will bail on a big time program. It's extremely rare to win a title at two schools, which is what makes Urban and Saban so special. But I don't want a guy who has already reached the plateau. I want a guy still hungry and climbing.

If you can't get Herman, Whittingham is a good name I hadn't considered. After that, I'd rather get someone like Brohm, who is kicking arse at WKU. You have to call Dantonio, though. He might want to jump ship with an ascendent Michigan.
Posted by RadThibodeaux
Houston, TX
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:48 am to
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Has a 10 million dollar buyout.


And a buyout stood in the way of us going after Jimbo last year?
Posted by RightHook
Member since Dec 2013
5560 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:49 am to
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The next tier has guys like Fedora, LK, Macintyre, Mullen and so on which we would either have to wait to end of the season to interview or have a closed meeting with them. They are ones that would need to present a plan to make LSU into a winner again.


that is definitely the second tier. i'd love to have jimbo or petrino, but it's not realistic. they are both at schools that they can win a natty with already, and they both make over 5 mil or close to it. hell, if petrino would've stayed at louisville back in the day he'd probably have one or two right now.

it's herman then the rest of the list pretty much.
Posted by heartbreakTiger
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:52 am to
Mark is old as dirt though and has had heart problems. I don't think he is a long term solution. Also his offensive style might drive people insane. I don't think he has many years left on him.

I agree on going for a coach without a title yet, maybe other than jimbo.
Posted by KingwoodLsuFan
Member since Aug 2008
11447 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:54 am to
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Kevin Sumlin
Ron Zook
Wade Phillips

If A&M wants to keep Sumlin we aren't going to be able to pull him away. If A&M wants to get rid of him why would we go in for sloppy seconds?

Zook already coached at an elite school at Florida and fell pretty short.

Wade Phillips is way too old and has 0 experience at being a head coach in college.

So all 3 of those choices are pretty much off the table.
Posted by heartbreakTiger
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Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:54 am to
I think all of those have a really high upside at LSU, maybe even something between what urban did at UF and what Saban is currently doing at bama. They all also have some bit of doubt to if they can win here.

id say Herman, Jimbo and Petrino are about as close to 100 percent going to be successful at LSU as you can get.

most of tier 2 is probably at like some ratio close to 90/10 and maybe down to 80/20
Posted by RightHook
Member since Dec 2013
5560 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:57 am to
that sounds about right. i just don't see how we get jimbo or petrino.
Posted by Baloo
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Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:58 am to
I'd object to Jimbo on the same grounds as Petrino: I don't trust him as a human being. Florida St has had serious off the field issues that have largely been swept under the rug by a compliant local police department. I don't think he's a bad guy (and Petrino is), but I do think he turns a willfull blind eye to off the field transgressions, which could get us in deep water. I wouldn't object out of hand to Jimbo, but he's not my first choice.

And you have to pay out the nose for him. I don't think Dantonio is built for SEC recruiting, either.
Posted by DWaginHTown
Houston, TX
Member since Jan 2006
10181 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:59 am to
oh good....another thread about this.
Posted by Prominentwon
LSU, McNeese St. Fan
Member since Jan 2005
94790 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 11:59 am to
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Any of u MFers that say you wouldn't take lane kiffen in a heartbeat r so full of shite! Hell I would take him quick. As long as we keep the rest of the staff in place. Do u realize how close we r to having a top 3 staff in the country? All we need is a coach that can develop QBs. Well frick....I'd say he has done pretty good there.


frick off if u say u wouldn't take


Kiffin doesn't belong at a top tier job
Posted by CFFO
Houston, TX
Member since Jul 2005
332 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 12:00 pm to
Herman would be great.

What about Jim Tressel? Currently he is the president of Youngstown State. I have to seen him mentioned but here are some thoughts.

Negatives
He is 63 so he may be too old (Les is 62)
He has not coached in 5 years
Not from SEC country (but I am sure he has recruited nationally)

Positives
Seemed like a hell of a coach that could recruit and develop talent
His NCAA sanction is up Dec 16, so it may not be as difficult to hire him as in prior years
He could be signed up and ready to go as soon as you announce Les "has decided to step down" ensuring no month long period of uncertainty that could hurt the program (recruiting etc)
Maybe his age is not too bad as someone like Aranda could see a chance to take over in a foreseeable timeframe.
This post was edited on 9/25/16 at 12:07 pm
Posted by Watchmaker
Member since Aug 2016
768 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 12:01 pm to
Why would Herman pack up from that gig in Houston to come to this mess? Serious question. If you had a company that valued its employees, why leave Houston? Why deal with Saban? He's sitting on a gold mine.
Posted by heartbreakTiger
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Posted on 9/25/16 at 12:03 pm to
I think the Jimbo ship has sailed. I don't see why he would want to come here after the way F King fricked shite up. However, he might still be at odds with the AD at FSU. He might also want to come back here, since he has coached here before.

Petrino might see the writing on the wall that the Ville is a commuter school and will be able to make noise but they aren't the big daddy in the conference. He has a shot back at the sec this time, but instead of with the fringe program its with a Big 6 member in a state this much easier to recruit.

The ville has the easy path to the nc for now, but they will almost always be second fiddle as far as the acc is concerned. Eventually Da U will rise again, va tech will be on the up and up and FSU is almost always going to be a threat.

so maybe slightly easier ACC but with the outside team in the Ville, or come to the hardest division in football but with one of the giants.

Honestly I don't think its likely we get any of the top tier guys. You don't often see them changing but Petrino and Herman are both interesting cases.

I don't see the Big12 allowing houston in. Why would Texas or OU want them in the conference and they don't bring any money as far as tv deals go. So that means we have a chance for Herman.

Still though its not often that you see a team execute a coaching search and get the man it wants. IF we had gotten Jimbo last year that would have been such a rare move.
Posted by DBU
Member since Mar 2014
19059 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 12:04 pm to
More money, P5 conference, recruiting pool that is as good as it comes...
Posted by RightHook
Member since Dec 2013
5560 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 12:05 pm to
IF they get into the b12 he's staying at houston to build it up as his program.

IF they don't get the b12 invite he'll bounce.

Posted by Merlin08
Member since Apr 2012
1760 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 12:07 pm to
As long as we have a coach who is willing to keep Juluke, Craig, Aranda and O...I would be happy. I still thunk we go with Aranda as interim and let's see what he can do while promoting Craig and O to the coordinator positions.
Posted by Ralph_Wiggum
Sugarland
Member since Jul 2005
11025 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 12:07 pm to
We have to let Miles coach until November. Firing someone in October looks bad. Though I do not agree with firing Miles.

I think Kiffen would be solid. I don't know why people don't want him. I mean he isn't Bobby Williams

Paul Chryst might be a solid hire. Wisconsin doesn't pay coaches well and doesn't spend the money on football The university has had budget cuts worse than LSU though so he would have a better situation at LSU and LSU will spend the money.

Pat Narduzzi at Pitt would be good. He was an assistant for Mark Dantonio at MSU>.
Posted by Prominentwon
LSU, McNeese St. Fan
Member since Jan 2005
94790 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 12:08 pm to
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Why would Herman pack up from that gig in Houston to come to this mess? Serious question. If you had a company that valued its employees, why leave Houston? Why deal with Saban? He's sitting on a gold mine.



So basically the only downside would be dealing with Saban once a year vs. the talent that's already here. Fertile recruiting grounds with no instate competition. Facilities that are on the same level as any other elite program in the country. I'm sure there are many other positives that LSU can offer that Houston can't.

Again, he took the South Carolina job last year until they lost to The Citadel and he realized what a cluster it was of a rebuild. That alone should tell you how willing he is to jump to a P5 school

LSU isn't a rebuild. LSU just needs a new driver for the corvette they'll be offering soon enough.
This post was edited on 9/25/16 at 12:11 pm
Posted by heartbreakTiger
grinding for my grinders
Member since Jan 2008
138974 posts
Posted on 9/25/16 at 12:09 pm to
I was going to bring up my main concern with Jimbo is the lack of control. He let winston own him.

I would rather a Petrino type sleeping with someone outside of marriage than dealing with rape like Briles, Franklin or Jimbo. Bobby might be the worst person in the bunch but his personal transgression as long as she isn't on our books isn't a massive deal.

Yea i don't see mark being very good at recruiting here, and with him being so old i could see him not wanting the type of guys that bring in the big boys.
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