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re: Lawyers of The Rant, I need help understanding verbiage in Jayden’s Cease & Desist letter

Posted on 8/18/26 at 7:27 am to
Posted by im4LSU
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 8/18/26 at 7:27 am to
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my understanding is that the 180 days thing or however long after an athlete leaves is only for situations like this ..the rule exists just if a player wants to be a complete a-hole. normally it doesn't come up because both the player and school benefit from the continuation of using the players nil


You are right, that’s part of it. It also extends to LSU using his NIL to help promote the school, according to what the search says. LSU was definitely doing that after the 180 days that has mentioned in the C&D letter.

That is where the “contractual authorization” comes into play. I don’t see how there is any way that Jaden can retroactively deny the authorization. He never had an issue with LSU using his Nil before the number issue came up, which means he has no leg to stand on here.

That’s just how I interpret it.
This post was edited on 8/18/26 at 7:29 am
Posted by RanchoLaPuerto
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Posted on 8/18/26 at 7:30 am to
Before I take any action like sending a letter or filing a suit, I sit my client down and discuss possible blowback. What are the intended and unintended consequences?

This letter seems pretty vanilla. (I would not have written it in such legalese, because I think that is useless as matters progress.) It does not mention his number or the trophy. So this looks more like a PR failing than a lawyer issue.

But that's just me. And everyone actually involved knows a hell of a lot more about what happened, so take it all with a huge grain of salt.
Posted by im4LSU
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 8/18/26 at 8:02 am to
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It does not mention his number or the trophy. So this looks more like a PR failing than a lawyer issue.


If you don’t mind me asking, are you an attorney? Your reply is written as such.

My question then is what would not mentioning the number five or the trophy have to do with anything that is actually in the letter? It seems like they are just using the number thing as a springboard to launch into the NIL action. The number and trophy situation seem inconsequential, as they are just the reasoning behind doing this. Would that reasoning need to be in the letter for this to mean anything different?


And trust me, I’m taking anything and everything about this with a huge grain of salt
This post was edited on 8/18/26 at 8:04 am
Posted by Dizz
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 8/18/26 at 8:12 am to
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The issue is when you get into using his NIL for anything to endorse a brand or sell a product. It seems there is an agreed upon timeframe for that that only extends 180 days after he’s no longer associated with the university.


My understanding is that 180 day period was to be able sell heisman merchandise.
Posted by GoldiTone21
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Posted on 8/18/26 at 8:20 am to
Then enlighten us on the usage of NIL that is being violated? Archival Footage is a copyrighted work which supersedes NIL, NFL posts on social media are done in conjunction with the NFL and NFLPA. LSU doesn't profit off of Honor Plaques.

I understand wanting to give the legal team the benefit of the doubt but just because they are professionals doesn't mean they can't make a claim that's off-base so that they can achieve a different end goal in mind. This smells like a miscalculated PR lawsuit.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 8/18/26 at 8:41 am to
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what would not mentioning the number five or the trophy have to do with anything that is actually in the letter? It seems like they are just using the number thing as a springboard to launch into the NIL action. The number and trophy situation seem inconsequential, as they are just the reasoning behind doing this.


I totally read it the same way, but for some reason we appear to be the only 2 who’ve stated it this clearly. Giving #5 to Pickett was merely the trigger. The cease and desist doesn’t really have anything to do with the number 5 except it’d be hard to use his name, image, and likeness to promote LSU without it.

But the way I read it, it would prevent LSU from directly selling “Daniels 5” LSU jerseys for sure. (It would be interesting if LSU sold just “Daniels” jerseys without a number. They could say there have been other “Daniels” at LSU, but I think a court would eventually side with Jayden on that). But it would also prevent LSU from using his likeness like on cups in Tiger Stadium, or having a “Jayden Daniels bobble head night” like they do in MLB for former players. Whether he was wearing #5 or no number at all wouldn’t matter, it would still violate the terms.

This is assuming the 180 day thing is true, and that nobody has thought to challenge it yet. My 1st thought was Jayden is about to be the 1st of many to renegotiate these NIL deals with their former colleges. Or just sign new ones, rather. If whatever waiver he signed was upon enrolling at LSU, his NIL is worth a lot more now after he’s won the Heisman and is the starting QB for the Commanders.

I may be reading this wrong, but now I think this was coming eventually. Jayden was just the 1st to get triggered enough to do it.
Posted by RanchoLaPuerto
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Posted on 8/18/26 at 8:42 am to
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My question then is what would not mentioning the number five or the trophy have to do with anything that is actually in the letter?


It is the point. Lawyers sent the letter. LSU spun it as JD claiming the number five and the copy of the trophy. LSU looked innocent. JD looked like a spoiled child.

The larger point is this: you can’t be legally right but lose the fight. That is where legal judgment comes in.

People seem to think “the law” is some tablet set in stone. It’s actually what you can persuade people the tablet should contain. Wisdom matters.
Posted by Wayne Campbell
Aurora, IL
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 8/18/26 at 8:43 am to
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Then enlighten us on the usage of NIL that is being violated?


I don’t have the answer to that. You’d have to ask his legal team.

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Archival Footage is a copyrighted work which supersedes NIL


I’m no copyright lawyer, but arguably the copyright would protect LSU from any other entity using the material in question.

quote:

This smells like a miscalculated PR lawsuit.


Obviously. 3 reasons this lawsuit was made: his team got pissy about the number 5 being issued, his team thought they could strong arm LSU into not letting Pickett wear the number, or his team is trying to strong arm LSU into a new contract. Some combination of the 3.
Posted by themunch
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Posted on 8/18/26 at 8:45 am to
The number Five has taken to hiding for fear of getting recalled.
Posted by im4LSU
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Aug 2004
34543 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 10:04 am to
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I totally read it the same way, but for some reason we appear to be the only 2 who’ve stated it this clearly. Giving #5 to Pickett was merely the trigger. The cease and desist doesn’t really have anything to do with the number 5 except it’d be hard to use his name, image, and likeness to promote LSU without it.


Exactly. The number stuff isn’t in the letter because that’s not what the letter is about. The letter is solely referring to LSU profiling off of his name, image, or likeness specifically.

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But it would also prevent LSU from using his likeness like on cups in Tiger Stadium, or having a “Jayden Daniels bobble head night” like they do in MLB for former players. Whether he was wearing #5 or no number at all wouldn’t matter, it would still violate the terms.


This is my concern and the stuff that I believe the letter refers to. LSU using anything with his name, image or likeness to promote or sell something, sounds like it could be a violation. Assuming the 180 day thing is legit, like you said. But again, that’s where the “contractual authorization” comes back into play. Which I would assume LSU had since there was never any issue up until now if that’s the case then this is an open and shut case.

This post was edited on 8/18/26 at 10:53 am
Posted by im4LSU
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 8/18/26 at 10:51 am to
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Archival Footage is a copyrighted work which supersedes NIL


You are correct. Until that footage is used to endorse a brand or sell a product. At that point you have to have the subject’s authorization to use the footage/ image.

I run into this all the time with my side business.

So what I think this all boils down to in terms of LSU violating the NIL contract or not, is, did LSU have the “contractual authorization” needed to continue using his name, image, and likeness. Which like I’ve stated, I would assume they did since he had no issue with the usage until now. Which if they did, then this was over before it started.
This post was edited on 8/18/26 at 10:55 am
Posted by Russianblue
Member since Nov 2007
1958 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 10:53 am to
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My questions are below the images.

Here is the actual C&D letter from his attorney…..



FWIW, your questions are completely valid and 100% objective, yet you get downvoted in the most BRUTAL fashion. I was going to say this is shocking but it's the Rant after all.

That was my first thought too. No number 5 mentioned. I think THAT became the crux of the story when they started making it about feeling disrespected about jersey retirement. That's a COMPLETELY different issue than what is in this letter.

What it SOUNDS like happened is that Mama went to the lawyer with her "they disrespecting my son" complaint, the lawyer had nothing to go on but doens't want to lose that Daniels biz, and so he pulled this letter out of his arse, which mama never read, but went immediately to the news outlets waving it as the 'i got my lawyer on yall arse now' to fix her retired jersey complaint. Wrong tool for the job. Complete frickery ensues.
Posted by StPeteLSU
St Petersburg, FL
Member since Oct 2011
2089 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 12:00 pm to
So basically Jayden wants to eliminate all his history with LSU and winning the heisman unless he get compensated? He loses way more than he wins if that is what he is seeking. No Jayden Daniels mdse or any mention that he was ever here then he will fade into nothing for his college rep. Just seems like he had nothing at all to gain. He is now the laughing stock of the NFL and on top of that his mom issue makes the news even more.
Posted by Victry4LSU
Member since Jun 2006
553 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 1:13 pm to
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To me, this sounds like LSU could not sale explicit "#5 Daniels" jerseys without his permission nor use evident NIL of Jayden in advertising (or paid promos).



Wouldn't this be a win/win for both LSU and Daniels? The Daniels' camp just basically told the 2nd largest market nationally for Daniels' jerseys and merchandise to quit selling their products.
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
7958 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 4:40 pm to
I am a lawyer. im4LSU and Hot Carl are generally correct.

Swamp Frog x has completely confused the issue.

One Caveat: Don't assume JD gave NIL authorization beyond the 180 days referenced in the letter. The fact that LSU is part of a process that might benefit it does not necessarily mean that LSU has authorization from JD to do it.
This post was edited on 8/18/26 at 5:03 pm
Posted by paulb52
Member since Dec 2019
9021 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 4:53 pm to
OK, Jayden doesn’t own #5 so nothing LSU needs to worry about. As far as all the Daniels jerseys and stuff just burn it like he never was here.
This post was edited on 8/18/26 at 4:55 pm
Posted by TBoy@LSU
Member since Sep 2012
6321 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 5:08 pm to
Probably has no legal effect, but what about what LSU did for Jayden Daniels? Gave him a free education. Brought him into a world class facility to train and coach him up to become a better player. Used substantial efforts and resoures to promote his campaign for the Heisman. Thanks for nothing bro.
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
21496 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 7:30 pm to
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Wouldn't this be a win/win for both LSU and Daniels?


Yes. And it should be. But sadly, that's not where this is headed and IMO, this is on Jayden.
Posted by im4LSU
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Aug 2004
34543 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 8:19 pm to
quote:

One Caveat: Don't assume JD gave NIL authorization beyond the 180 days referenced in the letter. The fact that LSU is part of a process that might benefit it does not necessarily mean that LSU has authorization from JD to do it.


Ok so the 180 days means nothing thing might actually hold water? Would the part about having contractual authorization supersede that since they never made any effort to stop the usage until they found out about the #5?
Posted by RxHunter
West Monroe
Member since Sep 2016
286 posts
Posted on 8/18/26 at 8:33 pm to

The gist of the letter is just JD saying I’m a big bitch with my panties in a wad. Oh, and by he way, save all the computer stuff for when I try and sue.
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