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re: Last five recruiting rankings: #6, #2, #8, #3, #8
Posted on 10/2/17 at 12:22 pm to purple passion
Posted on 10/2/17 at 12:22 pm to purple passion
Only if WRs and DBs could play QB, OL, or DL
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Posted on 10/2/17 at 12:24 pm to purple passion
quote:How many of those players are on the team anymore? Between not qualifying, being kicked off, or transferring, we have lost a ton of talent. Plus, those "rankings" including positions where we have depth, not OL/DL where we have none due to lack of recruiting, injuries, and transfers.
Last five recruiting rankings: #6, #2, #8, #3, #8
This mess isn't completely due to a lack of talent, but you have to be objective as well.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 12:26 pm to Chicken
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You guys put too much stock in recruiting rankings.
Maybe so, but until classes get drafted, it's the best way to compare talent level across different programs.
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Regardless, those last five classes don't rank as high when you remove players who have left the program.
Sure, but the ranking surely doesn't fall below the Mississippi States, Syracuses and Troys of college football. And LSU isnt the only school that has transfers or players leave early for the draft.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 12:26 pm to Chicken
Bingo
Also you have to discount classes that don't have top QBs, and are loaded at one position (DB).
Having six great safety prospects and six great CB prospects is not as good as having two or three great prospects at various positions scattered across the roster.
Also you have to discount classes that don't have top QBs, and are loaded at one position (DB).
Having six great safety prospects and six great CB prospects is not as good as having two or three great prospects at various positions scattered across the roster.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 12:26 pm to Chicken
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Now, take those same recruiting classes and remove the players who transferred, injured and left for NFL.
You do it for all the teams. Or is LSU the only school with transfers, injuries, suspenions and early entries into the NFL?
What about 12? 22 scholarship players missing by the UF game. Did they give up? frick no. That team was in the race to win the west til the end.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 12:28 pm to GeauxTigersLee
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How many of those players are on the team anymore? Between not qualifying, being kicked off, or transferring, we have lost a ton of talent. Plus, those "rankings" including positions where we have depth, not OL/DL where we have none due to lack of recruiting, injuries, and transfers.
I'm willing to bet that if you took the last 5 recruiting classes, removed all the players from those classes that have transferred or left for the NFL, and re-ranked all teams, LSU would still be in the top 10 in terms of current talent on the roster.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 12:31 pm to GeauxTigersLee
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How many of those players are on the team anymore? Between not qualifying, being kicked off, or transferring, we have lost a ton of talent. Plus, those "rankings" including positions where we have depth, not OL/DL where we have none due to lack of recruiting, injuries, and transfers.
This mess isn't completely due to a lack of talent, but you have to be objective as well.
Being objective means realizing those issues happen everywhere and are no excuse for the dumpster fire currently burning at LSU. O is a failure. Making excuses for his failure is ridiculous.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 12:37 pm to Dawgfan128
While it is true that this team is lacking line depth on both sides, the questions need to answered. What happened to the ones that are missing? Some are injured, but what happened to the ones that are suspended or transferred? Why, all of a sudden, did this happen? They might not have been stars or all Americans, but they were experienced and would have contributed. Would this have taken place under a more qualified coach? These guys were part of the highly ranked classes and are suddenly gone. This happened under O's watch. It's his shite show.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 12:48 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:Agreed, but not near the extent that has plagued this team. How many teams of LSU's caliber run out of DL and can't substitute in the 2nd game of the season due to injuries and penalties?
Being objective means realizing those issues happen everywhere
quote:Agreed
O is a failure.
quote:Not excuses, we've known for some time that the coaching staff hasn't been recruiting OL/DL well for years and hasn't done a good job of developing the talent we have.
Making excuses for his failure is ridiculous.
This post was edited on 10/2/17 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:04 pm to GeauxTigersLee
No matter how you attempt excuse this sudden degradation, it has to rest with the CEO to fix it now.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:05 pm to purple passion
Or the CEO's boss.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:07 pm to Chicken
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Regardless, those last five classes don't rank as high when you remove players who have left the program.
So O doesn't get any of the blame for the mass exodus this offseason from both lines?
Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:49 pm to More beer please
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Not according to his groupies.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:52 pm to purple passion
We've had well over a dozen attrition losses from those classes, probably closer to 20 - I mean we lost 5 OL in a single year. WRs, QBs transferring, defense linemen we've had to kick off the team.
On paper, those recruiting classes look like we should be competing for division/conference titles - in reality - we barely have a 2-deep OL to even suit up. For 22 positions - we have freshmen on the 2-deep at almost every one - a significant number true freshmen.
On paper, those recruiting classes look like we should be competing for division/conference titles - in reality - we barely have a 2-deep OL to even suit up. For 22 positions - we have freshmen on the 2-deep at almost every one - a significant number true freshmen.
This post was edited on 10/2/17 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 10/2/17 at 2:58 pm to Chicken
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Now, take those same recruiting classes and remove the players who transferred, injured and left for NFL.
Sounds like nothing but an excuse to me. Every program in the country has to effectively manage attrition. LSU can't use "a lack of talent" as an excuse for the butt kicking they received from Moo State and Troy. They absolutely have enough existing talent to win these games. Coaching is what lost these games.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 3:00 pm to jeff70121
Worst o line and wr corps since the 90s.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 3:01 pm to Ace Midnight
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WRs, QBs, defense linemen we've had to kick off the team.
What WRs and QBs have we kicked off the team? I know Tyron Johnson, Diarse, and Quinn transferred. Scott and Harris transferred. Maybe I'm blanking, but I don't recall any QB or WR being kicked off the team.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 3:02 pm to purple passion
All bullsh_t.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 3:06 pm to UpToPar
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What WRs and QBs have we kicked off the team? I know Tyron Johnson, Diarse, and Quinn transferred.
I cut the thought off - I'm fixing it.
WRs, QBs transferring, DL we've had to kick off the team - that was what I meant.
This post was edited on 10/2/17 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 10/2/17 at 3:09 pm to Chicken
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Now, take those same recruiting classes and remove the players who transferred, injured and left for NFL.
all college teams have to deal with attrition, via graduation, injuries, suspensions, academics, transfer, or NFL.
This is no secret.
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