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Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:43 pm to 1984Tiger
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Why does Saban get a pass for allowing his defense to squander a 4th qurater lead to an average UK team (they finished 7-5)?
He had a few upsets in 2000, even though he lost to UAB. They won the SEC in 2001, when no one gave them a chance. If Mauck doesn't go down in 2002, they would have had a better record. Won a NC in 2003. 2004 played well but breaking in a new qb, rs frosh qb as well.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:44 pm to 1984Tiger
I am so f****** tired of the threads that identify some tenuous, barely defensible parallel between Saban's LSU tenure and Miles' LSU tenure in an effort to make`them appear equivalent.
For the very last time:
Saban inherited an LSU program that was coming off the worst decade in its entire history and back to back losing seasons. The Tigers had not been a factor in the national championship discussion since the mid-1980's. When Saban took over, the program had not won the SEC IN OVER TEN YEARS. The last NC was a distant memory that had occurred FORTY YEARS earlier. Think about that. Saban took the underperforming LSU program and transformed into a juggernaut that won two SEC championships and an NC in a three year span. Miles inherited that juggernaut. When Miles became coach, LSU was ONE YEAR removed from an NC and SECC. Not ten years, not forty years. LSU was coming off a 9-2(6-2) regular season. So let's be very, very clear, the situations that Saban and Miles entered are not comparable. Period.
Enough.
For the very last time:
Saban inherited an LSU program that was coming off the worst decade in its entire history and back to back losing seasons. The Tigers had not been a factor in the national championship discussion since the mid-1980's. When Saban took over, the program had not won the SEC IN OVER TEN YEARS. The last NC was a distant memory that had occurred FORTY YEARS earlier. Think about that. Saban took the underperforming LSU program and transformed into a juggernaut that won two SEC championships and an NC in a three year span. Miles inherited that juggernaut. When Miles became coach, LSU was ONE YEAR removed from an NC and SECC. Not ten years, not forty years. LSU was coming off a 9-2(6-2) regular season. So let's be very, very clear, the situations that Saban and Miles entered are not comparable. Period.
Enough.
This post was edited on 9/9/10 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:47 pm to 1984Tiger
Really, it's a handful of things.
Someone wrote a really nice post on here a year or two ago about Saban and his process and the way he builds a program.
The gist of it is that Saban has a proven track record of success and that at the end of the day, you trust the direction he's taking your program, even if there is a minor hiccup along the way (Kentucky '02, Oregon State '04, Iowa '04) etc. etc.
Miles has yet to earn that sort of respect. People don't trust that even though we just came off 1 bad season and 1 decent one, that he's a good enough coach to right the ship and head the program in the proper direction.
Someone wrote a really nice post on here a year or two ago about Saban and his process and the way he builds a program.
The gist of it is that Saban has a proven track record of success and that at the end of the day, you trust the direction he's taking your program, even if there is a minor hiccup along the way (Kentucky '02, Oregon State '04, Iowa '04) etc. etc.
Miles has yet to earn that sort of respect. People don't trust that even though we just came off 1 bad season and 1 decent one, that he's a good enough coach to right the ship and head the program in the proper direction.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:51 pm to Pilot Tiger
Yall talking about our program getting better moving to a top 10 program of all time. Well riddle me this what schools in the past 3 years have replaced us? None. actually with USC cheating we move up. Teams will have to win 2 to pass us up and the only teams that could do that are ohiostate and bama. Which most people have above us anyway.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:52 pm to 1984Tiger
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So, a couple of questions:
1. Why does Saban get a pass for allowing his defense to squander a 4th qurater lead to an average UK team (they finished 7-5)?
2. How many people were disappointed that LSU won that game, even though they really should have lost?
He doesn't get a pass from me. Saban blew a lot of calls and games.
And, I remember jumping up and down when DH went in the end zone with the ball so I can't say I was disappointed. However, I wasn't happy about squandering the lead.
I was more disappointed in the Arkansas game that year when we lost in a similar manner as we won the UK game.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:57 pm to The312
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LSU was coming off a 9-2(6-2) regular season.
Where all 9 of the wins came against teams with less than 8 wins, and 4 of the nine were come from behind wins late in the 4th quarter.
2004 was no better than 2008 or 2009.
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2004 played well but breaking in a new qb, rs frosh qb as well.
2004 did not "play well."
If 2010 season were to include only 4 wins by double-digits, coming against teams that were 2-10, 3-8, 5-6, and 3-8, and come-from-behind 4th quarter wins against 3 7-5 teams (including one from the Sunbelt) and one 4-8 team, and losses against every team with 8+ wins, including a 29-point loss against the top ranked team, I seriously doubt the Rant will be saying that we "played well."
This post was edited on 9/9/10 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:59 pm to dgnx6
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Yall talking about our program getting better moving to a top 10 program of all time. Well riddle me this what schools in the past 3 years have replaced us? None. actually with USC cheating we move up. Teams will have to win 2 to pass us up and the only teams that could do that are ohiostate and bama. Which most people have above us anyway.
what you have just said, is the most insanely idiotic thing I have ever heard. At no point, in your rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:59 pm to TheBob
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If you can't tell the difference between Nick Saban, and Les Miles then you can't be helped.
this
Posted on 9/9/10 at 1:41 pm to 1984Tiger
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Why does Saban get a pass
I wonder if Ben Wilkerson gives Saban a pass? (click the link and scroll down for the sordid details)
Posted on 9/9/10 at 1:47 pm to LSUMafia
I don't understand why he gets the pass, well actually I do. Saban was God because he was the first to bring LSU back to the promised land and that is why people are so attached to him. Had Saban and Miles been reversed people would be dogging Saban like they do miles now. I personally prefer the coaching style of Saban over Miles, he is more defensively minded and I like that. People are just stupid, they want microwave results for things that take a while. Do I think Miles is doing an awesome job, no I think he squanders talent, but I'm not gonna sit here and dog him and the team, I'm gonna go to the games and yell my head off in support of him and my classmates. 
Posted on 9/9/10 at 1:52 pm to 1984Tiger
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1. Why does Saban get a pass for allowing his defense to squander a 4th qurater lead to an average UK team (they finished 7-5)?
Obviously, you weren't paying much attention back then because there was a lot of complaining about blowing that lead and the sentiment that we should have lost. He doesn't get criticized as much for it now in later years because of what happened the year after that.
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2. How many people were disappointed that LSU won that game, even though they really should have lost?
I suspect all of the Kentucky, Auburn and Arkansas fans were disappointed. I don't recall any LSU fans being disappointed that we won, although many were disappointed with how we played in that game.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 2:24 pm to 1984Tiger
quote:because our team that year sucked arse
1. Why does Saban get a pass for allowing his defense to squander a 4th qurater lead to an average UK team (they finished 7-5)?
we lacked talent, this year's team does not
Posted on 9/9/10 at 2:33 pm to Ford Frenzy
There's a big difference in those two games.
LSU vs UNC was against their 2nd team with all the starters not playing. LSU vs UK was against all their starters.
And speaking of starters, Jordan Jefferson is supposedly the best qb we have and is our Grade A starter for the season. In 2002, Mauck was that guy for us and went down in Gainesville against the Gators. So, we were using our 2nd string qb Marcus Randall.
And furthermore, we just finished the first game of the season with very limited injuries. I don't remember who else wasn't playing that game in Lexington but it was right in the middle of the season and I recall somebody other than Mauck not playing that game either.
There's no comparison to the two situations at all other than the end result.
LSU vs UNC was against their 2nd team with all the starters not playing. LSU vs UK was against all their starters.
And speaking of starters, Jordan Jefferson is supposedly the best qb we have and is our Grade A starter for the season. In 2002, Mauck was that guy for us and went down in Gainesville against the Gators. So, we were using our 2nd string qb Marcus Randall.
And furthermore, we just finished the first game of the season with very limited injuries. I don't remember who else wasn't playing that game in Lexington but it was right in the middle of the season and I recall somebody other than Mauck not playing that game either.
There's no comparison to the two situations at all other than the end result.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 3:07 pm to RealityTiger
I don't know about everyone else, but I was LIVID during the 2002 season. Sabes got no pass from me. Little did I know he would bring us the title in 2003. Hell, I wasn't a big fan of 2004 either. He's still the best coach in college football right now, and I'd take him back in a heartbeat.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 3:17 pm to Pilot Tiger
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fans shouldnt be disappointed because that's one of greatest endings to a CFB game of all time.
Saban was very mad about that game and showed no happiness in the win. He knew they got lucky
True and True.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 3:21 pm to 1984Tiger
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1984Tiger
Call me when Miles gets offered absurd contracts to coach in the NFL and then even more absurd contracts to coach at Bama.
Or when Miles inherits a 6-6 team and goes 12-2 and 14-0 in his 2nd and 3rd seasons there. Or when Miles can coach ANY team in ANY situation to a perfect record. Or how about just when Miles can coach LSU to less than 2 losses in a season. Or how about when Miles can field a team that can dominate an opponent or just plays focused football or just doesn't turn almost every game into the big ugly.
As bad a person as Saban seems to be, Miles is not the coach Saban is. Stop trying to pretend that he is.
This is an inane topic that says more about your way of thinking than it does about any coach.
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