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re: Kentucky 2002
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:09 pm to 1984Tiger
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:09 pm to 1984Tiger
quote:
So in HINDSIGHT, everything turned out fine, right? Up to that point, Saban had gone 8-4, 10-3, 8-4 ... AT THAT TIME, why weren't fans screaming about Saban's poor defense against a mediocre Kentucky team?
Because it was 2002. We won the SECCG, and a BCS Bowl the year before when nobody expected us to. You could tell Saban was building something special. Even in 2002, we were 2 plays away from going back to the SECCG.
Fans were also different then. Most know what it was like to suck, be rebuilt, then be an elite team. Fans want the team to stay elite as long as possible.
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Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:12 pm to 1984Tiger
quote:
So expectations weren't very high that year? You just stated we were coming off an SEC title and were Nationally ranked. Seems expectations were pretty high to me. Besides, who actually sets those expectations?
No...expectations were high, but even though we were 8-4 and should have lost to Kentucky, no one was really concerned about the overall direction the program was headed. We had one of the best recruiting classes in LSU history in 2001, lots of young players, and we were on the verge of signing the number 1 class in 2003.
The difference now is that the overall state of the program is declining.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:12 pm to 1984Tiger
quote:who?
1. Why does Saban
let it go, woman
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:12 pm to 1984Tiger
quote:expectations weren't nearly as high as they were now. You can't remember that?? We've won 2, TWO, national titles since then. We went from a top 15-20 program all time to a top 10-12 program all time in the span of about 4 years.
So expectations weren't very high that year? You just stated we were coming off an SEC title and were Nationally ranked. Seems expectations were pretty high to me. Besides, who actually sets those expectations?
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:13 pm to Chimlim
quote:except when we played UK we were like 6-2 or something
No...expectations were high, but even though we were 8-4 and should have lost to Kentucky
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:13 pm to Chimlim
quote:
But I remember Saban said after the game he was concerned about letting them back in the 4th quarter, and that this game was an example of why we need to play for a full 60 minutes.
Do you really think that the entire coaching staff doesn't have the same concerns? Just because it isn't explicitly stated in the press, doesn't mean there's no concern.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:17 pm to Chimlim
quote:
no one was really concerned about the overall direction the program was headed
I call BS ... again, Saban went 8-4, 10-3, 8-5. There was really nothing to indicate the program was heading to "elite" status until the 2002-2003 season when we won the NC. Was it better than before? Of course, it was, but not really among the nation's best yet.
If the same posters that "contribute" to the Rant today been around in 2002, the site would have been in meltdown mode, just like it was Sunday.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:19 pm to Pilot Tiger
quote:
expectations weren't nearly as high as they were now. You can't remember that?? We've won 2, TWO, national titles since then. We went from a top 15-20 program all time to a top 10-12 program all time in the span of about 4 years.
But the last two years have been mediocre and everyone on here knows that Miles can't coach ... why are the expectations so high? And exactly who sets those expectations?
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:19 pm to TheBob
The program was not in the same position then as it is now therefore expectations were different. Every coach is going to be lucky and win some games that they probally shouldn't to inferior opponents. The problem is it is starting to become the norm under Miles instead of an anommily.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:19 pm to 1984Tiger
quote:well your wrong. During 2002, we were, at one point, 6-1 coming off blowouts of Florida and South Carolina. We all felt like LSU was becoming something special. Whether you remember it or not doesn't matter, because that's how it was. Unfortunately the injury to Mauck really messed things up, but we were STILL in contention for the SEC W until the Arky disaster.
I call BS ... again, Saban went 8-4, 10-3, 8-5.
quote:Many of us were around back then chief
If the same posters that "contribute" to the Rant today been around in 2002, the site would have been in meltdown mode, just like it was Sunday.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:20 pm to 1984Tiger
quote:
Do you really think that the entire coaching staff doesn't have the same concerns? Just because it isn't explicitly stated in the press, doesn't mean there's no concern.
Maybe so, but if it is a concern they sure as hell haven't been doing anything about it. Dating back to 2009 how many games did we lose a 4th quarter lead? Georgia, Bama, Ole Miss, Ark, and Penn State. And we were two dropped TD passes away from doing it against UNC. This is a consistent problem under Miles. And it will come back to hurt us later in the year.
This post was edited on 9/9/10 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:20 pm to 1984Tiger
What about the entire 2004 season?
That year was terrible, we lost to every above average team (more than 7 wins) that we played, trailed late (as in final 2 minutes or less) but somehow managed to pull it out against 7-5 UF, 7-5 Oregon State, 7-5 Troy State, and 4-7 Ole Miss, had a very questionable interception/PI no call against Bama in a tight game, and had a 10-7 halftime lead against a Vandy team that finished with ONE win against a 1-A team.
Am I the only one that remembers that entire season?
That year was terrible, we lost to every above average team (more than 7 wins) that we played, trailed late (as in final 2 minutes or less) but somehow managed to pull it out against 7-5 UF, 7-5 Oregon State, 7-5 Troy State, and 4-7 Ole Miss, had a very questionable interception/PI no call against Bama in a tight game, and had a 10-7 halftime lead against a Vandy team that finished with ONE win against a 1-A team.
Am I the only one that remembers that entire season?
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:21 pm to manwich
quote:
let it go, woman
Oh, I've let it go. I posted this secnario for the posters that insist on comparing everything to Saban and insist Saban was (is) infallible.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:23 pm to 1984Tiger
quote:obviously not
Oh, I've let it go.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:24 pm to deSandman
We didn't have qb in 2004 much like 2008. The only difference was we had saban/muschamp running the defense instead of peveto/mallory. I will give both coaches passes for those years.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:27 pm to deSandman
quote:
What about the entire 2004 season?
Everyone will say that was a "rebuilding" year. Of course, to rebuild infers that something has been torn down. Is it possible the program had slipped a year after the NC?
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:30 pm to 1984Tiger
Let's see:
1) Saban was rebuilding the program and while we won the SEC the year before, people realized we weren't a dominating program at the time.
2) In 2002 we were breaking in a first year starter at QB in Mauck and he went down and had a first year starter in Randall.
3) Our great LSU defense didn't start until 2003 as Saban was still building them up to that point.
I doubt any of you actually give a shite at looking at how things were different in defense of Miles, but rebuilding a program is very different from maintaining a well-oiled machine.
ETA: Good catch Pilot, but you got my point.
1) Saban was rebuilding the program and while we won the SEC the year before, people realized we weren't a dominating program at the time.
2) In 2002 we were breaking in a first year starter at QB in Mauck and he went down and had a first year starter in Randall.
3) Our great LSU defense didn't start until 2003 as Saban was still building them up to that point.
I doubt any of you actually give a shite at looking at how things were different in defense of Miles, but rebuilding a program is very different from maintaining a well-oiled machine.
ETA: Good catch Pilot, but you got my point.
This post was edited on 9/9/10 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:32 pm to LSUMafia
quote:whoops
2) In 2002 we were breaking in a first year starter at QB in Mauck and he went down and had a first year starter in Flynn.
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:33 pm to MFV
There is a big difference of how you approach a game and ajust while the game is going on. Les approaches agame like lets dont lose it, if we get a lead lets sit on it.Halftime ajsutment ..no way if we are winning lets keep doing the same thing.... they used to call him the mad hatter coach because he went for a first down on his own 40 , but thats even changed now
Posted on 9/9/10 at 12:40 pm to Pilot Tiger
Good catch Pilot, I fixed it.
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