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Posted on 1/8/19 at 8:01 pm to RB10
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Clemson didn't offer Etienne until December. LSU was too late though and it's 100% Miles fault, who was fired at the end of September. Makes sense.
Maybe this is one of many reasons why you don't fire a head coach a month into the season. No one knows if Miles would've changed course on TE.
Be mad at Alleva.
This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 8:02 pm
Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:05 pm to BilJ
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O was as hard after Akers as the previous regime was.
He had to be J. You follow recruiting. You know how it works.
You have a big board and you are down to 5-6 scholarships. You have dumped a ton of capital and energy recruiting Akers. You are almost forced to keep going in that direction.
What if you offer Etienne and Akers backs off? and you dont land either? What if Miles told Akers he'd be the only back taken & O honored that? There are a lot of scenarios that make it hard to say "they should have just taken Etienne at that point".
What it comes down to is you have Justin Vincent throwing Miles under the bus. On the other end of the spectrum, you have Etienne's coach and family singing O's praises. In the end you also have Etienne admitting it was a gut wrenching decision to pick Clemson over LSU.
It's ok to say Les Miles fricked this up. No one is going to think you love O because of it.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:08 pm to RB10
Luckily for O 4 years later we are landing John E
Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:09 pm to Lester Earl
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What if you offer Etienne and Akers backs off? and you dont land either? What if Miles told Akers he'd be the only back taken & O honored that? There are a lot of scenarios that make it hard to say "they should have just taken Etienne at that point".
Or, what if none of that happened and Miles and Orgeron, like every other coach in the country, had Akers above Etienne on their boards?
Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:13 pm to Lester Earl
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I have no doubt if O were starting from scratch he Etienne is a tiger. Les Miles fricked this up royally. People have argued agains this for years. You were one of them. It's nice to see this come out.
Ed was the recruiting coordinator. But hey I guess we blame Les for everything. Strange how a guy you think is a moron basically did everyone's job. He watched film and chose all the players, coached every position and still had time to call an offense better than what o has pit out.
This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:18 pm to UpToPar
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Or, what if none of that happened and Miles and Orgeron, like every other coach in the country, had Akers above Etienne on their boards?
the fault is not getting Etienne in the class before it filled up. That is all you need to know.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:18 pm to Lester Earl
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It's ok to say Les Miles fricked this up.
Only if you're ok with people thinking you're a fool. Going after the higher rated prospect, who was a known early enrollee, 6 months from signing day isn't "fricking it up".
Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:18 pm to dgnx6
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Ed was the recruiting coordinator. But hey I guess we blame Les for everything.
you even read the tweet or no?
Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:20 pm to Lester Earl
Funny enough, the Etienne situation is erily limilar to the Mario Goodrich situation last year. I suspect you aren’t nearly as critical of the staff for the Surtain and Goodrich misses.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:23 pm to Lester Earl
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the fault is not getting Etienne in the class before it filled up. That is all you need to know.
LSU had a back committed and the staff went hard after the higher rated prospect of the two left on their board. That is all you need to know.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:24 pm to Lester Earl
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It's ok to say Les Miles fricked this up. No one is going to think you love O because of it.
How is it ok to say that when he was not able to see the recruitment through to the end?
Someone fired in September is being blamed when the kid's commitment was in January. Makes a lot of sense.
This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:24 pm to Eighteen
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ETA: not sure why downvotes, Clemson showed up late and offered and he took it...shows he had already turned the page on LSU no matter when O would’ve
Not necessarily.
LSU offered Dec 27th. Clemson offered Jan 12th, 2017.
LSU was late offering because they were focused on Cam Akers. Clemson was late offering because their star commit, Cordarrian Richardson, withdrew his commitment on Dec. 23rd.
And let's not forget that Clemson's offense would probably showcase him more (less substitions) and had just beaten Alabama on Jan 9th, 2017.
Even then, it still took him over 2 weeks and visits to Clemson and LSU to reportedly decide on them.
This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:25 pm to UpToPar
Neither of those were in our back yard.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:26 pm to UpToPar
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Funny enough, the Etienne situation is erily limilar to the Mario Goodrich situation last year. I suspect you aren’t nearly as critical of the staff for the Surtain and Goodrich misses.
It's not really similar at all.
But hey, I was upset they gave Cole Tracy a scholarship, so what do i know about last year.
From my understanding Surtain had told the staff he was coming to LSU.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:27 pm to Lester Earl
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It's ok to say Les Miles fricked this up. No one is going to think you love O because of it.
There’s one huge hole in your conclusion, Les.
We don’t know what Les Miles “fricked up” because we don’t know what would have happened had Les Miles not been fired in September.
He had a plan, and wasn’t allowed to see that through.
Even had he totally ignored TE, Akers may very well be in BR as we speak.
We don’t know.
So to say that Miles “fricked up” by slow playing TE to land Akers completely disregards the possibility that he may have actually landed Akers.
Not to mention the whole part about O being hired in 2015 not only for his reputation as a DL coach but also for his supposed expertise and input on recruiting (which is my favorite part when you and yours try to act like recruiting was such a disaster since around that same time).
If O felt as strongly about TE as you seem to think he did, it doesn’t add up that Miles would simply ignore the guy he brought in to give him that exact type of input.
But you know all this already
This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:29 pm to Goldrush25
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How is it ok to say that when he was not able to see the recruitment through to the end?
because he was an in-state kid that was a standout as a sophmore. He should have had an offer as a JR and everyone saw it but Les Miles.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:29 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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There’s one huge hole in your conclusion, Les.
There's one huge hole in your conclusion, Voodoo. Lester can't consider all of those things and possibly blame Miles in this situation. Therefore, they're irrelevant.
Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:30 pm to Lester Earl
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It's not really similar at all.
of course it’s not. You are so transparent. And you really think Tracy wouldn’t be here if Goodrich came? Why not Alexander? Oh, that’s right, it was O’s plan all along to miss on Surtain and Goodrich so we can bring in Alexander.
This post was edited on 1/8/19 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 1/8/19 at 9:30 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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Not to mention the whole part about O being hired in 2015 not only for his reputation as a DL coach but also for his supposed expertise and input on recruiting (which is my favorite part when you and yours try to act like recruiting was such a disaster since around that same time).
If O felt as strongly about TE as you seem to think he did, it doesn’t add up that Miles would simply ignore the guy he brought in to give him that exact type of input.
did you read the tweet in the OP or no
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